Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It makes it sketchy when you call the writing shit.Marvel didn't even know he was in a fight. He went to fly off to save the world and got coldcocked twice.
Yeah, and when they have the powers of them when they're cheapshotting people, it doesn't make a difference.
And Cap blitzed Superman and punched him in the face. Picking and choosing
But yeah, the times Cap punched Superman in the face don't count because they were cheapshots, but the time Superman did it count because...
Following this logic, here's Cap blitzing Superman in the middle of nowhere.
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It doesn't matter any more than me calling bendis or pak's writing shit. Its canon and that's it.
Because he got blitzed, that's what happens in a speedblitz.
Ok. We saw how much his magic lightning affects superman when he doesn't get cheapshotted in superman 216 though.
Both times he cheapshotted superman from behind while superman was distracted. Nothing similar here.
A weakened superman who gets up just fine and tosses him away like garbage which actually koes marvel after diverted by batman. Pathetic.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYouTube video
What does Thor have to do with this?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Oblivion has taken over this thread.
lol at dislike.
Saying Superman cheapshotted Billy, and Billy has done the same thing to Superman more times means dislike is a big factor
I don't think someone posting cheapshots and ignorantly claiming it's not one to prove something can claim bias against someone else.
Jake predicted that one...
Originally posted by abhilegendYou know what else is canon? Billy losing power when Mary is transformed.
It doesn't matter any more than me calling bendis or pak's writing shit. Its canon and that's it.Because he got blitzed, that's what happens in a speedblitz.
Ok. We saw how much his magic lightning affects superman when he doesn't get cheapshotted in superman 216 though.
Both times he cheapshotted superman from behind while superman was distracted. Nothing similar here.
A weakened superman who gets up just fine and tosses him away like garbage which actually koes marvel after diverted by batman. Pathetic.
Because he didn't know he was in a fight and got cheapshotted. That's what happens when you get cheapshotted.
And we saw what Superman's punches do to Billy when he doesn't cheapshot Billy, and when Billy is holding back... in Superman 216.
Come on abi. 😬
And both times he landed on Superman's face.
But when there's no danger and you attacked out of nowhere doesn't count as being distracted. Plus, the one involved Billy grabbing Superman and apologizing before hand..
Yes, from one punch from Cap. We know that he can KO full Superman with a blitz though with one punch though. Chalk that up to bad writing. Though Billy making a heroic pose had a lot to do with him not simply hitting Superman again. As did Billy tricking Batman and turning into Billy.
So, it's not actually about speed at all then like you previously stated? As soon as Billy "blitzes" Superman that all went out the window fast...
Are you seriously arguing that these cheapshots prove anything? You're trolling me, aren't you?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol at dislike.
Saying Superman cheapshotted Billy, and Billy has done the same thing to Superman more times means dislike is a big factorThat's not the point I was making.
I don't think someone posting cheapshots and ignorantly claiming it's not one to prove something can claim bias against someone else.
Jake predicted that one...
You know what else is canon? Billy losing power when Mary is transformed.
Because he didn't know he was in a fight and got cheapshotted.Nope.
That's what happens when you get cheapshotted.
And we saw what Superman's punches do to Billy when he doesn't cheapshot Billy,Stuns him and sends him across the continents? Beat the shit out of him like in Action comics annual 4?
and when Billy is holding back... in Superman 216.His lightning doesn't holds back.
Come on abi. 😬Who's abi?
And both times he landed on Superman's face.Not the same.
But when there's no danger and you attacked out of nowhere doesn't count as being distracted.Cap knew there was danger ahead in JSA 34.
Plus, the one involved Billy grabbing Superman and apologizing before hand..He spelled it out how he knocked out superman and it was due to surprise, luck and magic. You're really desperate now.
Yes, from one punch from Cap. We know that he can KO full Superman with a blitz though with one punch though.Suckerpunch with a double hand punch.
Chalk that up to bad writing.Absolutely, anytime captain marvel looks bad against superman its bad writing.
Though Billy making a heroic pose had a lot to do with him not simply hitting Superman again.Superman was weakened and still wasn't out. Billy tried hitting superman with a total suckerpunch blitz in Action comics annual 4 too. Superman shrugged it off and beat the shit out of him.
As did Billy tricking Batman and turning into Billy.No proof of it whatsoever. Though captain marvel tricking batman who was getting his shit pushed in by hawkman in the same issue is reaching even for you. He was knocked out and reverted to billy or does he makes his transformation into billy without a shazam lightning now?
So, it's not actually about speed at all then like you previously stated? As soon as Billy "blitzes" Superman that all went out the window fast...He has tried that before and got his shit pushed in.
Are you seriously arguing that these cheapshots prove anything? You're trolling me, aren't you?
Are you seriously trying to argue that punching someone in the face at superspeed is cheapshotting?
Originally posted by abhilegendWhich isn't relevant to everytime I discuss him. especially when all I'm saying is that he cheapshotted someone...
Well you dislike superman and have said so previously.That's not the point I was making.
That's not a cheapshot to begin with no matter how much you try to make it one.
Lulz.
You don't even know the point you're making. If you're going to say dislike plays a factor, then it probably shouldn't be in a thread where I'm only saying Superman cheapshotted Billy as well showings where Cap did the same.
K, it's not a cheapshot when you hit someone when they don't even know they're in a fight.
Originally posted by abhilegendI guess it won't.
That's not what happened there and nothing you say would change that.
It's so obviously a cheapshot that I'm literally dumbfounded that someone could think different.
Guess I'll just toss some shit into the wind.
What would you call this attack that Zod landed on Superman? Fair?
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Originally posted by abhilegendCheapshotted.
Nope.
He got blitzed and got KTFO in two punches.
Although it's funny again that you brought up the Eclipso Superman fights, since like you said, Eclipso laid a beatdown on him (the first fight anyway) and couldn't KO him. Yet we're supposed to believe that Superman in a completely fair way can KO Cap with two punches?
Or did he just cheapshot him?
Originally posted by abhilegendYes. And fails to KO him. He also got stuned too by Cap, but whatever.
Stuns him and sends him across the continents? Beat the shit out of him like in Action comics annual 4? His lightning doesn't holds back.
Who's abi?
Not the same.
Like I mean, again failing to KO Cap in two punches. Isn't that the whole reason you brought up 219? Because Cap knocked out Superman with magic and "not cheapshots", but couldn't do it in 219?
You realize by trying to combat Cap KO'ing Superman, that you're also combatting Superman KO'ing Cap...
Like, this shit is as funny as it is sad. If you want to prove Superman can KO Cap in two punches as a legit feat (in a non cheapshot way), you should probably avoid bringing up fights where Superman landed huge shots on him without a KO.
His lightning, maybe not, but him, yes.
It is the same though. He landed on his face when Superman wasn't expecting it. Superman landed on Billy when he wasn't expecting it. Pretty cut and dry.
Originally posted by abhilegendSuperman knew he was in danger in every issue Billy cheapshotted him in...
Cap knew there was danger ahead in JSA 34.
How do you logic
Originally posted by abhilegendWe could have figured that out without him saying anything.
He spelled it out how he knocked out superman and it was due to surprise, luck and magic. You're really desperate now.
But following whatever your logic is, it wasn't a cheapshot because he foreshadowed it... I guess.
Although you didn't even begin to explain why Superman cheapshotting Billy wasn't a cheapshot, but I guess that's it, maybe?
lol at desperate. You're the one who's saying that Superman attacking Billy without any warning at all isn't a cheapshot.
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This would work out better if I wasn't talking to something as stubborn as a tree stump.
Originally posted by abhilegendOne hit.
Suckerpunch with a double hand punch.
Originally posted by abhilegendWell, we've seen him cheapshot full Superman out with one shot is all I'm saying. More of a joke admittedly, but I don't think you understand those.
Absolutely, anytime captain marvel looks bad against superman its bad writing. Superman was weakened and still wasn't out.
And Billy didn't follow up.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to argue that Cap can beat Superman, or vice versa.
Billy tried hitting superman with a total suckerpunch blitz in Action comics annual 4 too. Superman shrugged it off and beat the shit out of him. No proof of it whatsoever. Though captain marvel tricking batman who was getting his shit pushed in by hawkman in the same issue is reaching even for you. He was knocked out and reverted to billy or does he makes his transformation into billy without a shazam lightning now?
He has tried that before and got his shit pushed in.
I was just following the "speed/cheapshot" angle you were going with. When you were trying to say Superman is way too fast for Billy based on what happened when he cheapshotted him.
IE, Billy has KO'ed Superman with "not cheapshots", and Billy has "speedblitzed" Superman (the KO is entirely irrelevant to speed). I don't believe either proves anything, however, you do... but only if Superman does it.
Really, if you weren't wearing red and blue colored glasses (3D), you'd see it's the exact same thing, and the original scans... scan doesn't mean much.
Billy just wakes up and smiles then while shooting off a bolt?
Also, I may be wrong, but Cap doesn't transform into Billy without the bolt anyway... so... Batman pretty much kicked him so hard it skipped a step, or Billy was tricking him and his magic skipped a step.
Either way, following your logic of establish history. He does turn into Billy in that story without the bolt. Just like he can be at full power with Mary powered up in the other. Funny how fun your logic can be.
And now you're just switching everything up because you got angry. But let's go with that.
Superman shrugs off Billy while possessed by magical Eclipso. Billy gets turned into Billy by Batman, and a throw.
What does this have to do with speed... your original point?
Originally posted by abhilegendNo, I'm saying that cheapshotting someone is cheapshotting. Superspeed or not.
Are you seriously trying to argue that punching someone in the face at superspeed is cheapshotting?
And if you weren't so stubborn, you'd say that too... but alas.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAbi can set us all on a path to a better life and understanding IMO.
I'm going to go to work and start punching people without warning.When I'm fired and arrested, I'll claim they should have known it was dangerous. A good lawyer will have me free on the streets in no time.
Just skype him in the courtroom for that extra boost.
