Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which isn't relevant to everytime I discuss him. especially when all I'm saying is that he cheapshotted someone...
Yeah, it is not. Let's move on.
You don't even know the point you're making. If you're going to say dislike plays a factor, then it probably shouldn't be in a thread where I'm only saying Superman cheapshotted Billy as well showings where Cap did the same.[quote]
LOL.[quote]K, it's not a cheapshot when you hit someone when they don't even know they're in a fight.
Its not a cheapshot if someone speeds in front of him and punches him in the face.
I guess it won't.
Yep.
It's so obviously a cheapshot that I'm literally dumbfounded that someone could think different.
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Guess I'll just toss some shit into the wind.
What would you call this attack that Zod landed on Superman? Fair?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/ActionComics779-17.jpg
Guess, you forgot to post the page where superman had his back to zod and suddenly moved around only to get cheapshotted. I give you the real cheapshot.
Not that the zod reference has any meaning here. Its just one more red herring from you.
Cheapshotted.
No.
Although it's funny again that you brought up the Eclipso Superman fights, since like you said, Eclipso laid a beatdown on him (the first fight anyway) and couldn't KO him. Yet we're supposed to believe that Superman in a completely fair way can KO Cap with two punches?
Yeah, different fights and all that shit. Its like asking how hulk can KO thor if he hasn't koed him wailing upon him.
Or did he just cheapshot him?
No.
Yes. And fails to KO him.He was gloating like you said.
He also got stuned too by Cap, but whatever.
Yeah, by a headbutt to the head. Good for him.
Like I mean, again failing to KO Cap in two punches. Isn't that the whole reason you brought up 219? Because Cap knocked out Superman with magic and "not cheapshots", but couldn't do it in 219?Your point is? You think superman is going to KO marvel in every fight with two punches?
You realize by trying to combat Cap KO'ing Superman, that you're also combatting Superman KO'ing Cap...
Nope.
Like, this shit is as funny as it is sad. If you want to prove Superman can KO Cap in two punches as a legit feat (in a non cheapshot way), you should probably avoid bringing up fights where Superman landed huge shots on him without a KO.
This is another huge red herring. Just because superman doesn't go knocking out characters with on or two punches doesn't invalidates the showings where he actually koes them with two punches.
His lightning, maybe not, but him, yes.
No.
It is the same though. He landed on his face when Superman wasn't expecting it. Superman landed on Billy when he wasn't expecting it. Pretty cut and dry.
Not at all.
Superman knew he was in danger in every issue Billy cheapshotted him in...How do you logic
From cap? Your reaching is hilarious.
We could have figured that out without him saying anything.LulzBut following whatever your logic is, it wasn't a cheapshot because he foreshadowed it... I guess.
Although you didn't even begin to explain why Superman cheapshotting Billy wasn't a cheapshot, but I guess that's it, maybe?Because it was a blitz. That's it.
lol at desperate. You're the one who's saying that Superman attacking Billy without any warning at all isn't a cheapshot.Yeah, desperate. But you aren't stubborn at all, I guess...
This would work out better if I wasn't talking to something as stubborn as a tree stump.
One hit.
And?
Well, we've seen him cheapshot full Superman out with one shot is all I'm saying. More of a joke admittedly, but I don't think you understand those.
Ok.
And Billy didn't follow up.Weakened. Superman.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to argue that Cap can beat Superman, or vice versa.Yeah, that's why you are writing these essays. Whatever suits you though.
I was just following the "speed/cheapshot" angle you were going with. When you were trying to say Superman is way too fast for Billy based on what happened when he cheapshotted him.Ok, I guess.
IE, Billy has KO'ed Superman with "not cheapshots", and Billy has "speedblitzed" Superman (the KO is entirely irrelevant to speed). I don't believe either proves anything, however, you do... but only if Superman does it.Really, if you weren't wearing red and blue colored glasses (3D), you'd see it's the exact same thing, and the original scans... scan doesn't mean much.
Billy just wakes up and smiles then while shooting off a bolt?Yeah, ask jeph loeb.
Also, I may be wrong, but Cap doesn't transform into Billy without the bolt anyway... so... Batman pretty much kicked him so hard it skipped a step, or Billy was tricking him and his magic skipped a step.IIRC he has been converted to billy when knocked out once. That's more plausible than usual "LOLZ, batkick".
Either way, following your logic of establish history. He does turn into Billy in that story without the bolt. Just like he can be at full power with Mary powered up in the other. Funny how fun your logic can be.The first scene is open to interpretation. The second is not.
And now you're just switching everything up because you got angry. But let's go with that.Angry? LOL.
Superman shrugs off Billy while possessed by magical Eclipso.Who gets weaker by sunlight.
Billy gets turned into Billy by Batman, and a throw.No.
What does this have to do with speed... your original point?
Nothing. Initially I posted that scan as just a joke as a retort to your "billy's a beast" post.
No, I'm saying that cheapshotting someone is cheapshotting. Superspeed or not.And if you weren't so stubborn, you'd say that too... but alas.
Listen, we're not going to agree upon anything and I don't want to write these essays again. Let's agree to disagree. You can have the last word here.
