Originally posted by Robtard
I hear ya.I've run across Harry Potter fanboys before in here many a time.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The AK was also semi-ineffective against quasi-immortals ala horcrux empowered Tom Riddle.I wonder if it'll have any effect against immortal Asgardians like Thor.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What do you think in regards to my query about whether or not the AK could affect Thor?Personally speaking I don't think it'll work.
If the Killing Curse hits Thor's exposed flesh?
While it's an unknown if Asgardians in Marvel films are truly immortal (I'd guess no), does Thor have a soul (being an Asgardian) for the AK to separate from his body?
IIRC, AK can't kill a HP dragon, as the dragons are magical in nature. So it's not like this spell is the ultimate weapon to begin with.
Well, I believe the AK works by attacking the soul, which is the HPverse is actually an energy that is present in their bodies...as seen when the Dementors try and suck out Sirius's soul and the fact that Voldemort was able to split his and place them in objects.
I don't think it'll work on anyone that can't be proven to have that same type of energy in their body.
Originally posted by Robtard
If the Killing Curse hits Thor's exposed flesh?While it's an unknown if Asgardians in Marvel films are truly immortal (I'd guess no), does Thor have a soul (being an Asgardian) for the AK to separate from his body?
IIRC, AK can't kill a HP dragon, as the dragons are magical in nature. So it's not like this spell is the ultimate weapon to begin with.
Although I don't recall if this incident took place in the movie, in the book when Harry and co return to Hogwarts whilst hidden under the Invisibility Cloak, and one of the Death Eaters suggests to dispatch dementors after him, another admonishes him by reminding that Voldemort had forbidden any harm come to Harry. However the first DE responded something along the lines of"The Dark Lord wants his life not his soul" suggesting that the AK functions in a different manner from the Dementor's kiss.
Either way, being alive and having a soul are not interchangeable scenarios in the HP-verse imo, which is demonstrated by the Dementor's Kiss which while sucking out the essence, leaves the body alive albeit an empty shell which is its most distinguishing feature as a "fate worse than death".
Btw, I don't recall the AK failing to kill a dragon either in the movies or in the books. Indeed I don't recall it being used at all against dragons. If it did happen, please point it out to me.
Originally posted by wallman77
arent the death eaters like next level sorcerers? normal humans shouldnt stand a chance against them. so fail about the black widow soloing bizness. hawkeye may get off a shot or two depending on the trick arrow. the death eaters have that one insta kill spell. if u get hit by it ur done. cap blocks a couple "wizard" bolt shots with his shield but eventually gets hit. he is down. widow and hawkeye quickly follow suit. it basically comes down to will the their death spells work through tony's armor. will it affect a "god" and will it put the hulk down. also if i remember correctly, they could be intangible if they choose to. plus flight. i dunno if the avengers can pull this off guys.
Thor, Hulk and IM get turned into teacups. And don't even get me started on Fiendfyre.
/thread. Avengers get tooled.
Originally posted by Silent MasterAll of them. They went toe to toe with the Order of the Phoenix FFS. Bellatrix Lestrange could even solo here. How, you ask?
Which of the Death Eaters showed they were capable of turing people into teacups?
Well, first, watch the vid below:
Now, imagine all the Death Eaters flying around like that. And for the record, the Death Eaters can go invisible and intangible while in flight.
Now, imagine a towering wall of Fiendfyre surrounding the Avengers. No? See below:
In the above vid, we can see Bellatix and Fenrir flying (half apparating) and casting Fiendfyre as they do so. Twice. We can also see them smash through the walls of the Burrow, which is an inferno, and emerge unscathed. Hell, even their clothes are untouched.
Not to mention the first vid where they fly so fast and with such force that they twist the bridge from it's foundation.
Spells? Dude, they can death spell, turn people into inanimate objects, they can vanish people, they can shrink objects (Thor's armor will be a vise-like death trap here). This is just the tip of the iceberg. And there are DOZENS of Death eaters, mind you.
More Fiendfyre:
Any questions?
I think something that people are missing here is that the reason the AK didn't affect stones and such, was because it had no soul. The AK had no problems killing people even if it hit them on their clothes. Whether it will work on IM's and Thor's armor, I'm not sure, especially IM's armor.
I do think it shouldn't have any problem killing Cap, BW, and Hawkeye if it hits them. Their only defense is to keep evading the curses and in Cap's case, shield himself.
Funny thing in this scenario though, is that Hulk probably dies first. He has no armor to talk of, very little dodging skills, and prefers to just charge head on. AK kills him.
IM and Thor should be able to just turn the school into rubble and thus killing all the Death Eaters inside, but if the goal of the OP is to kill all the Death Eaters such that the students can reclaim the school, then the Avengers will have hell of a hard time.
The only reason I can think of for the Avengers to win this is because they're the heroes. But in a realistic fight, I just can't see them winning this. There are too many death eaters with far too much spells as arsenal. All the other Avengers are nearly useless here, so the only ones who'll be really fighting is IM and Thor, and that's 2 against the many.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The AK was also semi-ineffective against quasi-immortals ala horcrux empowered Tom Riddle.I wonder if it'll have any effect against immortal Asgardians like Thor.
I haven't watched or read HP in quite some time so I'm not sure how accurate this is, but from what I remember the reason the AK didn't kill Tom Riddle was because he had already divided his soul into different horcrux's and thus wasn't killable unless you destroyed all the horcrux's containing his souls.
Thor as far as I know hasn't divided his soul. If we're going by the mechanics of how the AK works then it shouldn't have problems killing him, although that's only if he fails to block them with his hammer.
Originally posted by FrothByte
[B]I think something that people are missing here is that the reason the AK didn't affect stones and such, was because it had no soul. The AK had no problems killing people even if it hit them on their clothes. Whether it will work on IM's and Thor's armor, I'm not sure, especially IM's armor.I do think it shouldn't have any problem killing Cap, BW, and Hawkeye if it hits them. Their only defense is to keep evading the curses and in Cap's case, shield himself.
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this brings up the matter of caps shield with standing the spell. It did stand up to Thor "bringing down the hammer"
imo Caps shield and Mjolnir are going to be problems for the death eaters. Not to mention all they have to do in theory is disarm them or break their wands. Wand-less magic only existed in the movies iirc and only Voldamort and Dumbledor could do it in the movies.
Nice vids, only I didn't see any of the Death Eaters turning people into teacups, nor did I see the vast majority of them using the Fiendfyre or using the mist/flying(whatever it's called) attack.
Trying to grant all the Death Eaters that level of skill/power/knowledge would be like me granting Thor's feats to everyone from Asgard.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I think you're confusing the Dementor's kiss with the AK.Although I don't recall if this incident took place in the movie, in the book when Harry and co return to Hogwarts whilst hidden under the Invisibility Cloak, and one of the Death Eaters suggests to dispatch dementors after him, another admonishes him by reminding that Voldemort had forbidden any harm come to Harry. However the first DE responded something along the lines of"The Dark Lord wants his life not his soul" suggesting that the AK functions in a different manner from the Dementor's kiss.
Either way, being alive and having a soul are not interchangeable scenarios in the HP-verse imo, which is demonstrated by the Dementor's Kiss which while sucking out the essence, leaves the body alive albeit an empty shell which is its most distinguishing feature as a "fate worse than death".
Btw, I don't recall the AK failing to kill a dragon either in the movies or in the books. Indeed I don't recall it being used at all against dragons. If it did happen, please point it out to me.
No.
When Gary Oldman was zapped with an AK, you visibly saw his spirit/soul being pulled from his body and then he was all "ah, I'm dead Gary Oldman."
I could be thinking of the books when it comes to dragon lore, but I thought Potter tried to zap one once in the films.
Originally posted by Casper WhiteyAny questions?
No questions.
Thor + flying + massive tornado + lightning spam = all half-smoke flying Deatheaters are torn and fried. They'd be stupid to start flying, though that's what they'd likely do after failing with the killing curse.
Then there's the other Avengers doing stuff.
Any questions?