Avengers vs Death Eaters

Started by Silent Master51 pages
Silent Master Senior Member

Tony has more than enough money, he could always have the castle rebuilt, that way the Avengers don't have to hold back.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Robtard
No.

When Gary Oldman was zapped with an AK, you visibly saw his spirit/soul being pulled from his body and then he was all "ah, I'm dead Gary Oldman."

I could be thinking of the books when it comes to dragon lore, but I thought Potter tried to zap one once in the films.


This is the scene you're referring to:
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For one, Sirius was standing near the Veil, which is supposedly the barrier between the the afterlife and the living world. Secondly, that "spirit" one sees at 3:25 is actually coming from within the Veil and pulling his body within, its not Sirius' own soul being sucked out of him.

So there, I think its conclusively proven that the AK doesn't soul-suck in order to kill its victim.

That's the Stupefy charm which in itself is weaksauce compared to the AK. Potter has only ever used two of the Unforgivable Curses in either movies or books, and the AK is not part of them.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I didn't think that was a 'full power/Voldemort-level' AK anyway, as Sirius wasn't insta-killed.

Robtard Senor Member

Fair enough, no soul separation, I remembered the scene wrong. Then it stands to reason it kills by damaging the person/stopping their heart.

Hulk and Thor are both probably immune due to their high durability, armor aside. Iron Man for sure is, he's covered head to toe. Captain could also be due to high durability and body armor.

Thinking about it, Iron Man has a chance to also solo, he can fly at least 1,500mph (F-22 speed). Likely far faster, since he apparently traveled from New York to the Middle East in what appeared to be several hours.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, no soul separation, I remembered the scene wrong. Then it stands to reason it kills by damaging the person/stopping their heart.

Hulk and Thor are both probably immune due to their high durability, armor aside. Iron Man for sure is, he's covered head to toe. Captain could also be due to high durability and body armor.


There could definitely be a precedent to make that sort of assumption even when considers the fact that the AK is never supposed to leave any physical mark of injury upon its victim(with Harry being the only exception due to exceptional circumstances).

I think an argument can be made about both Hulk and Thor's immunity to the AK fro the perspective that since they're both quasi-immortals(hulk definitely is seeing how his healing factor is capable of negating Banner's death as well). Iron Man's mechanical heart has already resisted Loki's magical mind control, so it does stand to reason that in his full suit, most(if not all) of the Death Eaters' magic will be ineffective against him.

I don't think that Cap could be immune as well due to his durability, but yeah, his shield would provide excellent protection.

Tbh, since the AK was never really used against living creatures of high durability, I think its a stretch to assume that characters like Thor, Hulk or Cap would be immune based on their durability alone.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
I didn't think that was a 'full power/Voldemort-level' AK anyway, as Sirius wasn't insta-killed.

They slowed down his death sequence to create a dramatic scene. In the book itself, the spell which Bellatrix used for killing him was never specified, and he died by falling into the Veil, not due to Lestrange's spell directly.

Silent Master Senior Member

I always thought the AK attacked the soul, but looking it up, I don't see that stated anywhere...so does the book ever actually say how the AK kills you?

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Tbh, since the AK was never really used against living creatures of high durability, I think its a stretch to assume that characters like Thor, Hulk or Cap would be immune based on their durability alone.

I see it the other way,considering that spell only killed people who are for all intents and purposes like soft sponges compared to Thor and Hulk, it's akin to a no limit fallacy to conclude the death spell can kill all simply because it kills humans, wizards and spiders.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
They slowed down his death sequence to create a dramatic scene. In the book itself, the spell which Bellatrix used for killing him was never specified, and he died by falling into the Veil, not due to Lestrange's spell directly.

Dumbledore didn't die instantly either, iirc. Wasn't he still alive when he first started falling?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Robtard
I see it the other way,considering that spell only killed people who are for all intents and purposes like soft sponges compared to Thor and Hulk, it's akin to a no limit fallacy to conclude the death spell can kill all simply because it kills humans, wizards and spiders.

Fair enough.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dumbledore didn't die instantly either, iirc. Wasn't he still alive when he first started falling?

Not really. The moment he was hit by the AK, he fell of the tower instantly. His face was expressionless as he was falling, and his flailing arms could be explained as the air currents dragging against his limp body.
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Robtard Senor Member

Or was he trying to wave out one final goodbye?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Robtard
Or was he trying to wave out one final goodbye?

I doubt it since the old geezer always used to harp on about how "death is the next journey" and all that philosophical bs about human expiry.

ares834 Senior Member
Originally posted by Silent Master
I always thought the AK attacked the soul, but looking it up, I don't see that stated anywhere...so does the book ever actually say how the AK kills you?

No. It's not.

Also, as for dragons, nothing suggest they could survive AK. However, they are somewhat resistant to magic.

Anyway, the wizards win IMO. But lol at Bealatrix soloing.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by ares834
No. It's not.

Also, as for dragons, nothing suggest they could survive AK. However, they are somewhat resistant to magic.

Anyway, the wizards win IMO. But lol at Bealatrix soloing.

So, how does the AK kill people then?

ares834 Senior Member

It's never explained in either the books or movies. The idea that it separates soul and body is fan speculation.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by ares834
It's never explained in either the books or movies. The idea that it separates soul and body is fan speculation.

That explains it, I tend to read a lot of fanfiction to kill time when I work the weekend shift.

What is the most powerful person/thing it's killed?

Placidity Chief Executive Officer

Magic bypasses durability - see Superman.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by Placidity
Magic bypasses durability - see Superman.

Not all durability- See Loki needing the Twilight sword to transmute Thor.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Silent Master
That explains it, I tend to read a lot of fanfiction to kill time when I work the weekend shift.

What is the most powerful person/thing it's killed?


Its not so much about power. The most damage its done is to some golden statues, knocking their heads off or other wise breaking them. Its real purpose is to kill. They only ever used it on people as far as i remember. Tho since we barely get to see its use in the movies all we really can use in this thread is sirius' and dumbledore's death.

Silent Master Senior Member

Right, but we'd need to know how it kills in order to make an argument about whether or not it'd work on someone like Thor or the Hulk.

I mean Odin's spear disintegrated Laufey, but Thor was hit with it twice and didn't appear to be injured.