Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless the spell was specific to the gate. 😉
Not gonna fly just because you say so. You have to back it up and there is nothing to back up your claim. What was seen on screen is he made the gate intangible. You win...but lose by winning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus only Snape did that. And he wasn't a real Death Eater.
He is a Death Eater. Too bad, you tried.
Snape solos: he turns the avengers into intangible clouds and the various spells and charms at the disposal of the Death Eaters finishes them off. Thus declarith Nephy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not gonna fly just because you say so. You have to back it up and there is nothing to back up your claim. What was seen on screen is he made the gate intangible. You win...but lose by winning.He is a Death Eater. Too bad, you tried.
Snape solos: he turns the avengers into intangible clouds and the various spells and charms at the disposal of the Death Eaters finishes them off. Thus declarith Nephy.
"The high hedge curved with them [Snape and Yaxley], running off into the distance beyond the pair of impressive wrought-iron gates barring the men's way. Neither of them broke step: In silence both raised their left arms in a kind of salute and passed straight through, as though the dark metal were smoke".
- pg. 2, The Deathly Hallows
The Manor gates (w/c is magic) seem to allow people in by turning into smoke whenever someone raises a salute. It was the gate, man. :-/
Originally posted by Nibedicus
"The high hedge curved with them [Snape and Yaxley], running off into the distance beyond the pair of impressive wrought-iron gates barring the men's way. Neither of them broke step: In silence both raised their left arms in a kind of salute and passed straight through, as though the dark metal were smoke".
- pg. 2, The Deathly HallowsThe Manor gates (w/c is magic) seem to allow people in by turning into smoke whenever someone raises a salute. It was the gate, man. :-/
That's not going to work in this thread: it was metal, snape made it intangible. This is the MvF, not the books.
But even if we pretend that Snape cannot turn a portcullis into smoke, then is still the massive amount of transfiguration that is possible. Then there are all the spells.Then all the charms. Of which, none of the avengers have any response.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless the spell was specific to the gate. 😉It would make sense to have a gate that requires magical means to enter. Especially for the Malfoys. And especially for the house where Voldemort is holed up.
Plus only Snape did that. And he wasn't a real Death Eater.
Exactly, Seeing as the only thing that was turned intangible was the gate, wouldn't that point to there being something special about the gate....like it was enchanted or had charms on it so that it could be turned intangible?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. However, I argued against RJ on this because of one main thing: if that's true, then at least Snape as the ability to turn people into intangible smoke. That makes any thread with Snape in it lame....he just turns people intangible at the very beginning of the match and keeps them that way. Why? Who wants a match like that?I argue that he just turns himself into smoke.
Well 1 there is no proof that he can turn anything but that gate or other nonliving things into smoke. We never see him turn a living thing into smoke.
and 2 even if he could transform them there is no proof that he could transform the entire group of them at once. We see him turn one thing into smoke not an entire group of things
I argue he can't turn himself or the death eaters into smoke at all.
EDIT: Also yeah the gate IS an enchanted gate. Its why snape didn't just fly over it. It's never touched on in the movie though so I wont go into the arguing point for it I just wanted to point it out. I don't really care if he turned it into smoke legit or not. As I said he only turned a nonliving thing into smoke. This feat = nothing tbh
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not going to work in this thread: it was metal, snape made it intangible. This is the MvF, not the books.But even if we pretend that Snape cannot turn a portcullis into smoke, then is still the massive amount of transfiguration that is possible. Then there are all the spells.Then all the charms. Of which, none of the avengers have any response.
Not arguing against charms, etc
Just stating that there is more evidence pointing to the gate being the magical object that turned to smoke than it is Snape being able go turn things to smoke at will....
Originally posted by dadudemon
It is an argument: I am not really contradicted but what is seen on screen as it can go either way.But it is worse for the Avengie Wengies because that means at least Snap can turn them intangible making this thread useless in yet another way: the Death Eaters win, too easily.
😐
So you can have it one way, but it still does you no good.
Zomg I saw what you did thar.
From the script:
'We PLUMMET THROUGH the shifting trees TO a narrow moonlit
lane. A SHADOW ripples across the ground like a kite
made of water. A BOOT touches down upon the graveled
lane, then another. A cape flutters slowly down upon the
shoulders of a wizard, lank hair splayed across his windblown collar. His head turns. Moonlight strikes his pale face. SNAPE.
Moving. Up a wide drive, to a pair of wrought iron
gates. Beyond, a large manor that has seen better days.
A RUSTLING sounds. Snape wheels, draws his wand.
A PEACOCK, white as a ghost, emerges from the yew. Snape
eyes it warily, then lifts his hand. The iron gates turn
to smoke.'
So, its definitely the gate. And I think everyone else has pretty much agreed with me on it being specific to the gate, plus its that way in the novels so there you go.
Oh and no, Snape isn't a Death Eater you spaztard. If James Bond infiltrated Al qaeda would he be an MI6 agent or a terrorist? Obviously he'd still be the first one.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Indeed it is.Counter it or get outta my house.
alright its quite easy.
Your making claim that Snape could simply turn things intangible and it seems there is no limit to this. All just because it appears to you he turned the gate intangible. There is still no proof either side of the argument for the gate...only speculation so looking at everything else he has not turned anything intangible through out every scene in every movie. To my knowledge that is so correct me if im wrong. Anyways if I am wrong prove to me it can turn not just one person but an entire group of people intangible.
I think I will have a seat on your couch and maybe turn on the tv now.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
EDIT: Also yeah the gate IS an enchanted gate. Its why snape didn't just fly over it. It's never touched on in the movie though so I wont go into the arguing point for it I just wanted to point it out. I don't really care if he turned it into smoke legit or not. As I said he only turned a nonliving thing into smoke. This feat = nothing tbh
This is a really great point and why the opposition basically has no ground to stand on anymore.