Originally posted by Casper Whitey
At no time does he point his wand at the gate. He waves in in front of himself, that's all.
Ooh I just wanted to point this out because I was actually just watching this on HBO but when Harry appears in the castle and confronts Snape, Snape shows that they do remain solid while flying. He flew through the window and where he flew through it it shattered.
EDIT: This is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1-At6Z7sk
Not sure about the authenticity of it as I simply copy/pasted it from http://allbyourselves.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-1-movie-script/
But (if it's authentic) here's an excerpt from the script of the movie for the scene in question:
9 EXT. MALFOY MANOR – NIGHT (MOMENTS LATER) 9
We PLUMMET THROUGH the shifting trees TO a narrow moonlit
lane. A SHADOW ripples across the ground like a kite
made of water. A BOOT touches down upon the graveled
lane, then another. A cape flutters slowly down upon the
shoulders of a wizard, lank hair splayed across his windblown
collar. His head turns. Moonlight strikes his
pale face. SNAPE.
Moving. Up a wide drive, to a pair of wrought iron
gates. Beyond, a large manor that has seen better days.
A RUSTLING sounds. Snape wheels, draws his wand.
HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY… – PT. 1 – Rev. 6/11/10 4.
7 CONTINUED: 7
(CONTINUED)
A PEACOCK, white as a ghost, emerges from the yew. Snape
eyes it warily, then lifts his hand. The iron gates turn
to smoke.
Again, not sure of its authenticity, yet. Would be good if someone could verify.
Originally posted by omgchos
That actually doesnt work. He was already smoke on his approach to the gate. So if he waved it at himself he that means he got tired of being smoke..... solidified, then after a few feet of walking, re-smoked himself. You see the problem with that.
So we are going with the Death Eaters not being intangible while flying? K. Like I said, this makes them even more deadly. Anyone care to explain how the Death Eaters smashed right through a stone wall and didn't even muss their hair? And no, it was not a spell. A blasting spell of that magnitude requires incantation, and there was none.
Smashing through a stone wall while flying at around 200 mph, not an ounce of damage dealt to them. Explain that.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
So we are going with the Death Eaters not being intangible while flying? K. Like I said, this makes them even more deadly. Anyone care to explain how the Death Eaters smashed right through a stone wall and didn't even muss their hair? And no, it was not a spell. A blasting spell of that magnitude requires incantation, and there was none.Smashing through a stone wall while flying at around 200 mph, not an ounce of damage dealt to them. Explain that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You ever consider they broke through that wall with, say.... MAGICAL SPELLS!I'm watching the burrow scene and I can't really tell if they're actually going through it. Its pretty hard to tell whats going on. Even they they could be going through a window or something.
I'm loling at your attempt to rule out a spell. Non-verbal magic? Remember that shit?
Originally posted by NephthysSee, HP ignorance. Certain spells can be cast non verbally, some cannot. Blasting spells just happen to be spells that require an incantation. That's just how it is.
No. What makes you think they require an incantation? Why can't they be used non-verbally?
When Harry was trying to destroy the Hocrux, "Reducto." When that ***** in pink found the room of requirement, how did she blast through the wall? "Bombada maxima."
There, two scenes where blasting spells were used with incantations.
Your turn.
Wheres your proof that they 'require' it? Wheres your proof that there are any spells that can't be used non-verbally?
OMG, so because on two occasions it was used verbally, it cannot be used non-verbally? WTF, are those actual words that I am reading or did you moronicy pop my brain and send me reeling into a rage-induced coma?
Either way, no. No. No, that isn't right.
Originally posted by NephthysDear lord, did you read anything I said? Here:
Wheres your proof that they 'require' it? Wheres your proof that there are any spells that can't be used non-verbally?OMG, so because on two occasions it was used verbally, it [b]cannot
be used non-verbally? WTF, are those actual words that I am reading or did you moronicy pop my brain and send me reeling into a rage-induced coma?Either way, no. No. No, that isn't right. [/B]
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Nonverbal_spell
Every non verbal spell instance in HP history. None of them, not one, is a blasting spell.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I disagree. to me it looks like he waves it in front of the gate. The gate even looks kind of fog like. When he walks through it, it seems as if it would if you walked through a cloud of smoke. The draft of the walk causes some of it to trail you briefly.
I agree. However, I argued against RJ on this because of one main thing: if that's true, then at least Snape as the ability to turn people into intangible smoke. That makes any thread with Snape in it lame....he just turns people intangible at the very beginning of the match and keeps them that way. Why? Who wants a match like that?
I argue that he just turns himself into smoke.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
oops.. anyway isn't it time for this thread to go bye bye
Yes. It was very one-sided putting a group as powerful and versatile as the Death Eaters against anything that wasn't equally as magical or at least demigod status (like Dr. Manhattan).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wheres your proof that they 'require' it? Wheres your proof that there are any spells that can't be used non-verbally?OMG, so because on two occasions it was used verbally, it [b]cannot
be used non-verbally? WTF, are those actual words that I am reading or did you moronicy pop my brain and send me reeling into a rage-induced coma?Either way, no. No. No, that isn't right. [/B]
He provided evidence from two very capable wizards: one of which is definitely a very experienced and high-level wizard (Umbridge).
He provided his evidence it is now up to you to contradict that. This is the MvF: you must back up your positions with on-screen feats. This can be taken to extremes to be very silly but that is not what he is doing, now.
There are plenty of spells that require verbal incantation, every time. Avada Kadavra is one of them, for sure. Dumbledore admits that Voldemort is even more talented than he but yet, Voldemort always incants that particular spell. Why? Maybe it is not one that can be nonverbally? But I digress: there is probably a single instance in the films that shows that spell being cast, nonverbally.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. However, I argued against RJ on this because of one main thing: if that's true, then at least Snape as the ability to turn people into intangible smoke. That makes any thread with Snape in it lame....he just turns people intangible at the very beginning of the match and keeps them that way. Why? Who wants a match like that?I argue that he just turns himself into smoke.
That isn't an argument, that's bias. You'd simply prefer if it was Snape turning to smoke.
Everyone agrees that it was the gate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That isn't an argument, that's bias. You'd simply prefer if it was Snape turning to smoke.Everyone agrees that it was the gate.
It is an argument: I am not really contradicted but what is seen on screen as it can go either way.
But it is worse for the Avengie Wengies because that means at least Snap can turn them intangible making this thread useless in yet another way: the Death Eaters win, too easily.
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So you can have it one way, but it still does you no good.