Slade Gauntlet. Grip Strength Challenge.

Started by bluewaterrider8 pages

Not bad, Sam.

Although I'd dismiss the big bomb as a scene played for comic effect and the struggle with Warpath as story-driven, or, at best, an outlier, not reflecting Wade's average strength, your feats and the style of art lend that Moonknight Kick credence and that toss of Pete out of a car and over a bridge rail is something either matching or just shy of what Harlequinn did to Batman and errant members of her gang.
Actually the wall kick might top that; I'll have to think about this a bit ...

At any rate, because of what you showed, not only does Wade get a stay of elimination, but he gets bumped up from the #4 to the #7 slot.

Wade might get the nod over Harley if you either come with better showings or prove this most recent list, well, recent, countering the Wiki charge that Wade's strength was only a feature of his earliest years.

As for the gauntlet theme, do note that the purpose was to determine where people would place Slade based on physical strength in the purest sense possible, not skill.

Wally, for instance, is given a chance based on the supposition that all his legwork might have given him greater than normal ability to push a grappling opponent around to where he wants them to go,
the fact that his son, Jai, apparently has some degree of metahuman strength (implying that Wally might have the genes for this as well?) and, again, the fact he was lightly able to pick up and run with an 800 pound rod with apparent ease, whereas the greatest feat I'd seen him perform before this was picking up 1 or 2 people and running with them.

I intended Slade to be going fresh against fresh opponents,
just wanted to see who TRULY matches him in strength under standard conditions.
I wasn't designing a gauntlet to wear him down.

Besides, Slade has enhanced endurance and stamina compared to the average person.
He'd be essentially at his normal standard for every subsequent opponent by simple power of this fact.

Other:

Superboy Prime got struck as promised.

Current contention list:

Starred selections will be next to go unless someone presents defense or good argument against Slade taking them.

Single asterisk (*) = to be struck from list on next posting
Double asterisk (**) = to be struck from list after people have had at least 48 hours to contest

01. Grifter

02. Nightwing (Richard Grayson)

03. Superboy Prime (depowered; under full red sunlight)

04. Batman (Bruce Wayne)

05. Wally West (no speed allowed, just West's natural strength)**

06. Bane (non-juiced)**

-- (known feats? any?)

07. Deadpool

-- Wikipedia suggests that, at his debut, Wade may have had some measure of superhuman strength; retconned soon afterward

08. Harley Quinn

09. Captain America

10. Kingpin (Wilson Fisk)

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Bonus Round:

Slade has the option to use a set of power gloves to TRIPLE his strength to tackle the following people.

Does he need them?

If he uses said gloves, does he fully clear?
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11. Bane (fully juiced)

12. Killer Croc

13. Cable

14. Norman Osborn (Green Goblin)

15. Kingpin (enraged) [/B][/QUOTE]

Agreed about the bomb, thats why i said its PISy. The thing about Warpath, its pretty consistent. Deadpool fought him in the past too and barehanded. only an interference prevented Wade from kicking his ass. And its not the only superhuman he fought/beat. There's Tigershark, Walrus (i know lol but still that guy was tossing cars around and Deadpool blitzed him to ko), Shatterstar, held his own in a wrestling match vs the same monster that wrestled the Thing before him. Id definitely place Wade above Harley and ill gladly post more feats to prove it. But tomorrow. Just keep him on the list untill then.😄

Ps: if i had to compare Wade's strength to someone itd be Cap. Imo theyre roughly on the same level, that much was clear from their encounters.

More feats as promised.

Breaks some armored hero's neck. Again 180:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5933/dpglisfs010048.png

Kicks a zombie's head off its shoulders:
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5846/cd48dcp0005.png

While underwater immobilises Ajax (superhuman) and kills him. Judging by the blood he did more than just snap his neck.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c357/geshien/dp3.jpg

KOs Shatterstar with a guttpunch. SS is also superhuman.
http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/0905/c3/8916f01be013.jpg
http://i068.radikal.ru/0905/83/18fad84b9320.jpg

Beats on Tigershark:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/614/deadpool0616.jpg

Speedblitzes and KOs Wallrus (who was shown tossing cars in the same issue)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/fidp2oroboroscps030.jpg/

Vs Cable. Nate has to resort to TK in order to win.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3338/img014.png

Once again punches Moon Knight through a wall. Only this time sends him flying with the hit:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg15copy.jpg

One last feat. Same fight with Captain America. Guess this counts as strength/durability feat.

Originally posted by SamZED
More feats as promised.

Will you think me awful if I admit that my first thought was not anything concerning Wade, but instead:

"My, but Squirrel Girl is strong for a non-powered lady...
Look at the DISTANCE she gets on that kick ...!"

🙁

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You're looking for non-Venom Bane feats?

Well, he's ripped peoples arms clean out of their socket before. Has ridiculous damage soak (not that that matters here, but it shows his pain tolerance and stamina).

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're looking for non-Venom Bane feats?

Well, he's ripped peoples arms clean out of their socket before. Has ridiculous damage soak ...

Bane is presenting some problems.

Namely:

1) What do you decide if Character B has greater feats than Character A, and greater by far, but Character A easily beats Character B in actual confrontations, even when Character A is not at full power and should NOT be able, "objectively", to beat Character B even at max potential?

2) How do you decide what "clean" means to a character who has essentially had super serum treatments a la Captain America to PERMANENTLY boost his stats? Is there such thing as a true "base" level for him anymore? Does taking away addictive strength-enhancing drugs reduce the character to average base, something lower, or something higher by inducing mania ("lunatic" strength)?

For, in regards to the first, I've found Killer Croc perform a greater strength feat than anyone in this thread:

... yet Croc is easily beaten by Bane after Bane venoms up ...

Croc is a joke. Was getting his ass handed to him when Bane wasn't on venom, too.

Non-venom Bane beat Azrael and his sidekick, both on venom... now that's badass 😎

http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74354_Bane_vs_Croc_3_122_1191lo.jpg (props to Supermutant)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Croc ... a joke.
...when Bane wasn't on venom, too.

Yeah, I was just about to post that.

But it doesn't really make sense how Bane, with no feats on that level even when powered up, can break Croc with OR without his "juice" ...

Going by feats, Croc should win ... but that's obviously not the "reality" of the funny books ...

Croc is the Rhino of DC and he mutated further much later, becoming stronger...

Ah, I see, then ...

The bank vault tear must be a more recent showing ...

Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, that's what I think. It looks fairly recent, at least in comparison to his fight with Bane, I mean.

Modern Croc took a hit from Osiris and gave him a bloody lip with a punch.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Bane is presenting some problems.

Namely:

1) What do you decide if Character B has greater feats than Character A, and greater by far, but Character A easily beats Character B in actual confrontations, even when Character A is not at full power and should NOT be able, "objectively", to beat Character B even at max potential?

2) How do you decide what "clean" means to a character who has essentially had super serum treatments a la Captain America to PERMANENTLY boost his stats? Is there such thing as a true "base" level for him anymore? Does taking away addictive strength-enhancing drugs reduce the character to average base, something lower, or something higher by inducing mania ("lunatic" strength)?

For, in regards to the first, I've found Killer Croc perform a greater strength feat than [b]anyone in this thread: [/B]

He goes back down to normal. He's not permanently stronger because of his venom.
Venom is a highly addictive liquid form of Miraclo[also addictive in it's own right, but tends to take years], the same thing that Hourman uses for his Hour of Power.

Even if it were the case his stats were boosted permanently, which it isn't, being off Venom would still be the weakest and thus his base.

IMHO DS beats the first 9.
I don't know much about classic Kingpin, but if he is simply peak human then Slade should beat him 2.

As for the bonus round, no idea as they all have some degree of metahuman stats.

Classic Kingpin was way above peak human.

So is Captain America.

It's a little more complex than that. Classic Captain America seems to be what you guys are calling "peak human". Modern Cap seems to be, on average, like a peak human or Olympian having an "adrenaline" moment. You know, the kind where, say a 125 pound mom can lift a car off her son? I'm not sure if Modern Cap actually exceeds that level by leaps and pounds -- Cap would have at least 2 to 3 times more size and muscle mass than said adrenalized mom. He weighs, what ... 250 pounds or so?

Kingpin would weigh considerably more than that. The old Marvel lines about him being 300 pounds are off. A man his size would be more like 5 or even 600 pounds, like some of the sumo wrestlers we've seen make their way into MMA and the like. He wouldn't really have to be above peak human to do what he does, you would just have to consider the average person you NORMALLY look at in the comics and call "peak human" is in the 150 to 200 pound range. Kingpin, is 3 or 4 times that heavy, and so should be (and apparently is) 3 or 4 times that strong.

For a fun exercise, stop and consider how strong even a woman like Poison Ivy would have to be in real life to do what she's doing here -- supporting the weight of herself and another athletic woman on a rope using nothing but her flexed arm strength. Simulation of a 200+ pound curl in one sense. That would be pretty d--- strong, but there ARE actually people in real life who are that strong, even women, and you will find them as your top parkour (city-running) specialists and high-level performance acrobats. If you have a moment, I'd even suggest checking out on YouTube, the DSW series video(s) boy and girl motivation. You can see a young guy hold himself on a bar and hold a woman, and either curl the woman or curl them both (he's wearing glasses and a Superman T-shirt, looking like Action Comics Clark, it's VERY cool ...)

Continuation of the scene posted a moment ago, image 2 of 3...

Image 3 of 3.

Note that Poison Ivy's parkour level stunt was slightly above the average of DC's famous "street" characters, who, as a matter of course, must do similar bodyweight and twice bodyweight arm "exercises" to go about their weekly city explorations, patrols, and crime fighting routines.

Ivy has a pretty strong physique is what that tells us; there's no getting around it. Note now, however, that a simple, genuine hug of thanks from Harley Quinn, not intended in the least for harm, intimidation, warning or anything else, nearly takes Ivy's breath away.

Heavy implication that Harley could deal out some damage if she ever wanted to, and a suggestion, combined with the other instances of her throwing around members of the batfamily, that Harley is on a level of strength well above theirs.

Taken from Harley Quinn #12.