Why should I debate him? He's saying exactly what I'm trying to tell you.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Mutant powers work on mutants and humans only, not vampires.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Unless a vampire's powers give them a specific immunity to a mutant's powers, the mutants powers work on the vampires without limitation.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why should I debate him? He's saying exactly what I'm trying to tell you.
Yeah, I think you and I are saying the same thing.
Here's an example:
Jasper's emotional state powers work on any mutant except those mutants with psionic abilities of resistance like Xavier and Emma Frost.
Xavier's mind powers work on any vampire except Bella as Bella is the only vampire shown being able to resist mind powers.
To pretend that the above statements are not true is being petty and childish.
So do either of you two disagree with those two examples? If you do, STFU and GTFO. If you both agree to it, WTF are you two arguing about, to begin with? 😠
Originally posted by dadudemonOf course I agree with those examples.
Yeah, I think you and I are saying the same thing.Here's an example:
Jasper's emotional state powers work on any mutant except those mutants with psionic abilities of resistance like Xavier and Emma Frost.
Xavier's mind powers work on any vampire except Bella as Bella is the only vampire shown being able to resist mind powers.
To pretend that the above statements are not true is being petty and childish.
So do either of you two disagree with those two examples? If you do, STFU and GTFO. If you both agree to it, WTF are you two arguing about, to begin with? 😠
Obviously:
Originally posted by Yours truly
Read between the lines, dude.
So Bella's shields protect her team and they attack from within and rape.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So do either of you two disagree with those two examples? If you do, STFU and GTFO. If you both agree to it, WTF are you two arguing about, to begin with? 😠
We're not arguing really. Just trying to convince CW to stop baiting ppl over and over in this thread.
Not working, tho. It just seems to encourage him more.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
It's all in good fun, dude. No offense meant.
I understand you're just having some fun, dude. I'll admit I've baited ppl before (especially in Thor comic vs threads).
But can we PLEASE stop it with this one already? It's become incessant in this particular one and the thread kinda gets some ppl riled up.
Originally posted by NibedicusI gotcha, but I do stand by this:
I understand you're just having some fun, dude. I'll admit I've baited ppl before (especially in Thor comic vs threads).But can we PLEASE stop it with this one already? It's become incessant in this particular one and the thread kinda gets some ppl riled up.
Originally posted by Casper WhiteyNo trolling, serious business.So Bella's shields protect her team and they attack from within and rape.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Vamp powers will work on humans because vamp powers were shown to work on humans.Vamp powers work on vampires because vamp powers were shown to work on vampires.
Mutants are humans with a power giving mutation. Unless said power gives them a specific invulnerability to a vampire power, vampire powers work on mutants without limitation.
Unless a vampire's powers give them a specific immunity to a mutant's powers, the mutants powers work on the vampires without limitation.
My reply was entirely sarcastic and in response to Casper's less that intelligent trolling.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
I just made it. Bella protects her team with her shield and they attack from within.
Ppl already made this argument around the first few pages. Already debunked with no rebuttal to the points presented.
Is there any reason why I shouldn't think that I'm still being trolled/baited?
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
I wasn't around then, I am here now. Debunk away.
Actually, you were. But I'll play along. As I said, giving you the benefit of the doubt. As a courtesy, lemme refresh you on some points brought forward in the earlier parts of this debate.
Biggest point:
1) Bella power can't shield against Phoenix. Phoenix freezes them in the air or just simply disintegrates the lot of them.
Minor points:
2) Vampires can't fly. Many of the strongest mutants can. How do they put down the flyers?
3) He's the freakin Juggernaught, b!tch and he might just run down most of the Vamps life a bowling ball thru pins.
4) Wolverine Adamantium top-o-death (while Magneto is safely in the air) would annihilate them.
5) Vampires in the movie weren't bullet timers, they'll get hit and easily (not really a "win" post, just a point brought in). Wolverine would easily cut down many of them.
6) They'd have now way to put down Shaw. Especially after Cyclops, Storm, Havoc, Gambit decides to power him up.
7) If Bella dies (and she would), Xavier could simply freeze them. Their ENTIRE defense against getting one-shot owned en masses is someone who will remain still just to use her powers.
8) No limits fallacy does not apply to Bella. Between her and Xavier, he has far better mental power "feats" than those Bella's power has cancelled out. So, it's even arguable that she'd beat Xavier's mind powers, much less Xavier AND Emma.
I'm sure scenario 2 (where it is only the Cullens+Wolves) is an obvious Mutants stomp and the only question is scenario 1 correct?
I'll start with those.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, you were. But I'll play along. As I said, giving you the benefit of the doubt. As a courtesy, lemme refresh you on some points brought forward in the earlier parts of this debate.Biggest point:
1) Bella power can't shield against Phoenix. Phoenix freezes them in the air or just simply disintegrates the lot of them.
It's Jean Grey in this fight, not DP.
Minor points:The flyers are picked off one by one by Jane.2) Vampires can't fly. Many of the strongest mutants can. How do they put down the flyers?
3) He's the freakin Juggernaught, b!tch and he might just run down most of the Vamps life a bowling ball thru pins.
Lol, stop, Juggs is useless here. He's too slow. All it takes is a Twivamp speed blitz nkeecap smash and he's done.
4) Wolverine Adamantium top-o-death (while Magneto is safely in the air) would annihilate them.Wolverine is too slow. He does nothing here.
5) Vampires in the movie weren't bullet timers, they'll get hit and easily (not really a "win" post, just a point brought in). Wolverine would easily cut down many of them.
The hell? Twivamps are WAY too fast for any of the X Men. What are you smoking?
6) They'd have now way to put down Shaw. Especially after Cyclops, Storm, Havoc, Gambit decides to power him up.What happened the one time Shaw could not react in time to defend himself? Eric put a quarter through his head. Think about that.
7) If Bella dies (and she would), Xavier could simply freeze them. Their ENTIRE defense against getting one-shot owned en masses is someone who will remain still just to use her powers.No, she wouldn't. Her shield would protect her from any and all mental attacks. Meanwhile, Alec paralyzes as many X Men and cuts off their senses with his fog attack. Also, Renata stays close to Bella so that any X Men who get close to Bella suddenly forgets where they are and what they are doing.
8) No limits fallacy does not apply to Bella. Between her and Xavier, he has far better mental power "feats" than those Bella's power has cancelled out. So, it's even arguable that she'd beat Xavier's mind powers, much less Xavier AND Emma.So a no limits fallacy does not apply to Bella, and now you;re gonna apply limits? What are the limits? Can't have it both ways, sport.
I'm sure scenario 2 (where it is only the Cullens+Wolves) is an obvious Mutants stomp and the only question is scenario 1 correct?Both scenarios the Twivamps likely net a win.I'll start with those.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
It's Jean Grey in this fight, not DP.The flyers are picked off one by one by Jane.
Lol, stop, Juggs is useless here. He's too slow. All it takes is a Twivamp speed blitz nkeecap smash and he's done.
Wolverine is too slow. He does nothing here.
The hell? Twivamps are WAY too fast for any of the X Men. What are you smoking?
What happened the one time Shaw could not react in time to defend himself? Eric put a quarter through his head. Think about that.
No, she wouldn't. Her shield would protect her from any and all mental attacks. Meanwhile, Alec paralyzes as many X Men and cuts off their senses with his fog attack. Also, Renata stays close to Bella so that any X Men who get close to Bella suddenly forgets where they are and what they are doing.
So a no limits fallacy does not apply to Bella, and now you;re gonna apply limits? What are the limits? Can't have it both ways, sport.
Both scenarios the Twivamps likely net a win.
1) As per OP:
Originally posted by rox
Jean Grey(Last Stand Version)
Last Stand version IS DP.
Check and mate?
As for your other arguments:
2) Jane's power can be blocked by Prof X or Emma. She's been resisted before, they've shown the ability to block mental powers (Emma at least) from affecting teammates and their "feats" downright poop on anything shown in any Twilight movie.
3) Deadpool, an opponent he's tagged in the movie have speed and reaction time "feats" that poop on any Twivamp vampire agility/speed feats.
But that's beside the point. Magneto flies up and starts spinning Wolverine into a top o' doom. Vamps die in droves.
4) Vamps aren't as fast as you make them look. They've been tagged by large dogs that move no faster than a speeding car. And no, the guy blasts thru thick concrete like it's made of foam. Twivamps get stunned or even KO'd by getting slammed into marble. His durability/strength = way beyond what they can handle.
5) On screen? No they're not. They get tagged all the time. By big wolves that are FAST but nowhere near bullet timers or even in the same neighborhood of it.
6) How does that help your argument? No vampire can remove his helmet, no vampire can freeze him and once he's charged up, no vampire can hurt him in any way.
7) What are you talking about? OF COURSE we apply limits to her to avoid a no-limits fallacy. Basically, her "limits" would be based on the highest showings of the people she's blocked on screen. That's how logic works.
8) As my first answer already rebuked your entire argument, Mutants win. If you think that they have a prayer in scenario 2 with just a little over a handful of vampires, then you're hopeless.
Let it be said that I still feel that you're still just baiting/trolling at this point. Your trolling/baiting skills aren't as good as you think.
Originally posted by NibedicusNah, fail and fail. When she became DP, DP was in control, not Jean. You really think Jean would have disintegrated everyone like that?
1) As per OP:Last Stand version IS DP.
Check and mate?
As for your other arguments:Xavier and Emma won't have a chance to block Jane's powers. They'll be speed blitzed and decapitated before they know what hit them.2) Jane's power can be blocked by Prof X or Emma. She's been resisted before, they've shown the ability to block mental powers (Emma at least) from affecting teammates and their "feats" downright poop on anything shown in any Twilight movie.
3) Deadpool, an opponent he's tagged in the movie have speed and reaction time "feats" that poop on any Twivamp vampire agility/speed feats.He tagged XI because XI was fighting him and Sabertooth at the same time. Wolverine 1v1 with XI? Rape.
But that's beside the point. Magneto flies up and starts spinning Wolverine into a top o' doom. Vamps die in droves.Wow, this is your comeback?
4) Vamps aren't as fast as you make them look. They've been tagged by large dogs that move no faster than a speeding car. And no, the guy blasts thru thick concrete like it's made of foam. Twivamps get stunned or even KO'd by getting slammed into marble. His durability/strength = way beyond what they can handle.
His?
5) On screen? No they're not. They get tagged all the time. By big wolves that are FAST but nowhere near bullet timers or even in the same neighborhood of it.
Show me a mutant moving this fast:
The fact that Twiwolves tagged them in irrelevant. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
6) How does that help your argument? No vampire can remove his helmet, no vampire can freeze him and once he's charged up, no vampire can hurt him in any way.Alec, bro. Know your Twilight.
7) What are you talking about? OF COURSE we apply limits to her to avoid a no-limits fallacy. Basically, her "limits" would be based on the highest showings of the people she's blocked on screen. That's how logic works.Logic dictates that her shields never weakened, never buckled. Agreed.
8) As my first answer already rebuked your entire argument, Mutants win. If you think that they have a prayer in scenario 2 with just a little over a handful of vampires, then you're hopeless.Lol, love your "just cuz" attitude.
Let it be said that I still feel that you're still just baiting/trolling at this point. Your trolling/baiting skills aren't as good as you think.Lol, I see a pattern of you circling back to this when you have had your ass handed to you.
Alice. Sup with that?
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Nah, fail and fail. When she became DP, DP was in control, not Jean. You really think Jean would have disintegrated everyone like that?Xavier and Emma won't have a chance to block Jane's powers. They'll be speed blitzed and decapitated before they know what hit them.
He tagged XI because XI was fighting him and Sabertooth at the same time. Wolverine 1v1 with XI? Rape.
Wow, this is your comeback?
His?
Show me a mutant moving this fast:
The fact that Twiwolves tagged them in irrelevant. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Alec, bro. Know your Twilight.
Logic dictates that her shields never weakened, never buckled. Agreed.
Lol, love your "just cuz" attitude.
Lol, I see a pattern of you circling back to this when you have had your ass handed to you.
Alice. Sup with that?
1) Desperate much (actually, I just think you're baiting)? You're trying to disqualify Jean Grey when the OP was SPECIFIC that he states Jean Grey as she appeared in Last Stand and in the entire movie, she WAS DP and had her DP powers the whole time.
Ok, if you want, we can just get a mod ruling on this shall we?
2) Not when DP have dusted them already or simply suspended them in the air.
3) Wrong again. Fast forward to 0:58. Wolverine tags im but no Sabertooth there.
4) How is this a "comeback"? This is a viable option for the X-Men and was my initial assertion to begin with.
5) Juggernaut.
6) Motion blur is your only indication of speed? That's it? They had motion blur but in the whole fight, what exactly did they do? Lemme enlighten you with a prior post of mine:
Already commented on this fight:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Felix had a few blur-moments but that was not all too impressive as well as their movements looked fast but they didn't really look like they were able to fit that many movements within the time frame they did it in (looks like a backflip, body slam attempt, countered by a double frontflip, countered by a successful chokeslam then a standing kimura reversed into a hammerlock attempt w/c was avoided and countered into another hammerlock attempt w/c Edward rolled out of w/c made him walk into a front choke then a slam using Edward's neck into the stairs just with a lot of blurry camera play).
Now event taking into consideration the slow-mo of the camera (indicating that the fight took less time than it did on screen), that shows like 10 moves/countermoves done in total within a few seconds. Fast, not as fast as:
Show you a mutant moving that fast? Deadpool deflecting a hail of bullets with his sword and slicing a bullet in half in mid flight and using it to hit two people. Simple. Quantifiable. Blows any vampire "feat" out of the water. All that without gay camera effects. Whoopee!
BTW, Wolverine tagged im (see above).
7) Twiwolves tagging them is not irrelevant. It shows a good gauge of how fast they can move in a fight and what they can avoid. Were the wolves fast? Yes. But fast enough to follow. Were they able to speed blitz the wolves? No. Were they too fast for the wolves? No.
This provides evidence that kinda disproves your "blitz" assertions and would mean that it, indeed, is really quite damned relevant.
9) Pls research what a no-limits fallacy is. Here's a link:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/No_limits_fallacy
Answer these: Who was the strongest power she blocked? Show "feats". That is the highest level demonstrated by her power. We can assume she can go slightly higher but not assume that her power cannot be overcome by any means as that would be a no-limits fallacy.
10) How are 7 vampires and a bunch of non-factor wolves gonna win? Please enlighten me.
11) I accuse you of trolling/baiting because that it seems like you are doing. You sound like a smart guy. The arguments you present now are weak (and I'm sure you know this, as you're giggling behind your monitor while you revel at how "good" you are are baiting ppl-you're not btw) and are still just there to elicit a response.
Your insinuation of any "ass" that got handed here prior to me offering any rebuttal is just one more hint leading up to that conclusion. If you want to continue this debate, I suggest you avoid that kind of attitude and approach this discussion with some courtesy (as I've done my best at extending you all the courtesy I can), otherwise, I'll simply report you for trolling/baiting (something you said you were no longer doing) and walk away from your silliness as I don't really have the time to play your little trolling game.
Also, I number my rebuttals for your convenience (so you can indicate w/c point you're offering rebuttal to). Pls number yours so we can determine w/c argument goes where.
12) Alice what? What she gonna do? Tell them to run away or they get raped? Might happen.
Edit. And about Alec vs Shaw. Helmet. Watch your X-Men movies pls.