X-men Movie series vs Twilight Movie Series

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Desperate much (actually, I just think you're baiting)? You're trying to disqualify Jean Grey when the OP was SPECIFIC that he states Jean Grey as she appeared in Last Stand and in the entire movie, she WAS DP and had her DP powers the whole time.

It was quite clear that Jean Gray evolved into the Phoenix. Jean was no longer in control, Phoenix was. Jean has zero feats in X3.

Ok, if you want, we can just get a mod ruling on this shall we?

2) Not when DP have dusted them already or simply suspended them in the air.

3) Wrong again. Fast forward to 0:58. Wolverine tags im but no Sabertooth there.

YouTube video

4) How is this a "comeback"? This is a viable option for the X-Men and was my initial assertion to begin with.

5) Juggernaut.

6) Motion blur is your only indication of speed? That's it? They had motion blur but in the whole fight, what exactly did they do? Lemme enlighten you with a prior post of mine:

Show you a mutant moving that fast? Deadpool deflecting a hail of bullets with his sword and slicing a bullet in half in mid flight and using it to hit two people. Simple. Quantifiable. Blows any vampire "feat" out of the water. All that without gay camera effects. Whoopee!

BTW, Wolverine tagged im (see above).

7) Twiwolves tagging them is not irrelevant. It shows a good gauge of how fast they can move in a fight and what they can avoid. Were the wolves fast? Yes. But fast enough to follow. Were they able to speed blitz the wolves? No. Were they too fast for the wolves? No.

This provides evidence that kinda disproves your "blitz" assertions and would mean that it, indeed, is really quite damned relevant.

9) Pls research what a no-limits fallacy is. Here's a link:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/No_limits_fallacy

Answer these: Who was the strongest power she blocked? Show "feats". That is the highest level demonstrated by her power. We can assume she can go slightly higher but not assume that her power cannot be overcome by any means as that would be a no-limits fallacy.

10) How are 7 vampires and a bunch of non-factor wolves gonna win? Please enlighten me.

11) I accuse you of trolling/baiting because that it seems like you are doing. You sound like a smart guy. The arguments you present now are weak (and I'm sure you know this, as you're giggling behind your monitor while you revel at how "good" you are are baiting ppl-you're not btw) and are still just there to elicit a response.

Your insinuation of any "ass" that got handed here prior to me offering any rebuttal is just one more hint leading up to that conclusion. If you want to continue this debate, I suggest you avoid that kind of attitude and approach this discussion with some courtesy (as I've done my best at extending you all the courtesy I can), otherwise, I'll simply report you for trolling/baiting (something you said you were no longer doing) and walk away from your silliness as I don't really have the time to play your little trolling game.

Also, I number my rebuttals for your convenience (so you can indicate w/c point you're offering rebuttal to). Pls number yours so we can determine w/c argument goes where.

12) Alice what? What she gonna do? Tell them to run away or they get raped? Might happen.

Edit. And about Alec vs Shaw. Helmet. Watch your X-Men movies pls.

Is this really happening?

Originally posted by juggerman
Is this really happening?

Apparently it is...

Nibedicus haven't even touched Azereal and Nightcrawlers teleportion, but I suspect this will be fun to watch/read.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
It was quite clear that Jean Gray evolved into the Phoenix. Jean was no longer in control, Phoenix was. Jean has zero feats in X3.

On what?

DP is not in this thread.

One thing has nothing to do with the other, you're reaching.

Twivamp speed>>>>>The speed at which Magneto can spin Wolverine around.

Juggs is useless here. Kick to the kneecap immobilizes him.

Er......You saying Twivamps are not faster than Mutants?

So Wolverine can go toe to toe with a Twivamp? Cool story.

The wolves usually hit them when they weren't looking, dude, or were engaging another opponent. 1v1, a Twivamp is too fast.

Lol I know what a no limits fallacy is, babe.

She blocked all the Volturi's mental attacks.

By being faster and stronger and having a shield that protects them from any and all mental attacks.

Lol, K.

You need to thicken your skin, man. This is how people talk to one another here. You want us to change our style just for you?

Quote tags are easier.

Lol, so the fact that she will know everything before it happens means nothing? Sure, why not.

Benjamin. Think on that.

1) Watch X-Men: Last Stand please. She didn't "evolve" into the Phoenix. She WAS the Phoenix when she was a child. They simply locked that part of her deep in her mind.

So, you wish me to msg a mod to make a ruling over:

"Is DP in this thread as per OP."?

I will send it today, once you give your go ahead.

2) See above.

3) Deadpool quantifiable reaction time "feats" >>>> Twivamp quantifiable reaction time"feats". Wolverine tagged him easily.

You're desperate/trolling.

4) Magneto has flung entire Battlefleet salvos back at the original ships at the same speed they were shot at them. Battlefleet canon fire moves at more or less 800 m/s (or over Mach 2).

Proof that Twivamps are faster than this?

5) Proof where Juggernaut was hurt by a kick to the knee?

6) No. I'm saying that there are Mutants faster than Twivamps thru actual quantifiable "feats" and they got tagged pretty easily by other Mutants.

7) What I said was that thru quantifiable "feats" of who Wolverine has fought and tagged before, he can certainly fight and tag them.

8) Show one instance where a vampire was shown to completely outclass a wolf so much in speed that the wolf couldn't ever hope to tag the vampire?

9) If you know the definition, then stop using fallacious logic.

10) Again. What are the top "feats" of the Volturi that she's blocked?

11) I love the "Lol, K." response. Just letting you know that I'm fully aware of what your intentions are.

12) You've just about admitted to being a baiter. You've shown that you like to use poor logic to provoke ppl into heated degenerative debates with you (why do you do this? bored?). I don't need to "thicken my skin", not everyone debates like this and I only really spend my time talking to those. You issued the challenge, and I gave you the courtesy of taking you on. If you want to continue it, then stick to the facts and debate like an adult. Otherwise, I don't really have the time to waste with you.

13) Quote tagging EACH argument takes too much time and effort. Don't really feel wasting too much effort engaging someone who seems to really just be trolling/baiting me.

14) When has Alice ever used her powers to affect the outcome of a large battle other than simply showing her visions to the OTHER side in the hopes of discouraging the other side from kicking their ass?

You're making things up now.

15) So which group exactly does Benjamin belong to here?

Originally posted by rox
The Cullen
Wolfpack
Volturi

Since we're getting so technical about this:

Originally posted by rox
Jean Grey(Last Stand Version)

I think we need to be equally anal about this:

The Cullen
Wolfpack
Volturi

So it's Jean(not DP) and the rest of the mutants against:

A SINGLE CULLEN(sorry bro OP clearly states you only get one so choose wisely)

ONE OF THE TWO WOLFPACKS(OP doesn't add an "s" so again we are dealing with singular here and in the movies the "Wolfpack" splits up with half following the original leader and half following Mr. Black. Again choose wisely)

And of course the ENTIRE VOLTURI(tried but couldn't be a dick here)

I'll calm down now

Originally posted by juggerman
Since we're getting so technical about this:

I think we need to be equally anal about this:

Technically, Jean Grey WAS the Phoenix since she was a child. They just locked that part of her inside her head.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Technically, Jean Grey WAS the Phoenix since she was a child. They just locked that part of her inside her head.

I know but CW is "Blah blah blahing" around with this one so i'm just playing his/her/it's game 🙂

Originally posted by juggerman
I know but CW is "Blah blah blahing" around with this one so i'm just playing his/her/it's game 🙂

He's just baiting everyone, I feel like it might be best to just ignore im.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He's just baiting everyone, I feel like it might be best to just ignore im.

Maybe but that's not as fun 😄

Originally posted by juggerman
Maybe but that's not as fun 😄

😛

Whoa whoa whoa....WHOA.....So you guys are adding DP (who is not in the OP), but refuse to discuss Benjamin?

Well........Have at it then. BTW, Benjamin would solo the ground bound mutants.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Whoa whoa whoa....WHOA.....So you guys are adding DP (who is not in the OP), but refuse to discuss Benjamin?

Well........Have at it then. BTW, Benjamin would solo the ground bound mutants.

We didn't exclude/include anything. The OP did. IF you have an issue with that, then I suggest that you make your own thread and stop trolling/baiting in this one. As it is here:

Dark Phoenix:

Originally posted by rox
X-men
Professor X(first class version)
Magneto(first class version)
Storm
Wolverine
Cyclops
Havok
Jean Grey(Last Stand Version)
Emma Frost(First Class)
Gambit(orgins)
NightCrawler
Azazel
Mystique
Sesbastion Shaw
Riptide
Juggernaut
Shawdowcat
Beast(last stand)
Iceman

Originally posted by Nibedicus
15) So which group exactly does Benjamin belong to here?

Originally posted by rox
The Cullen
Wolfpack
Volturi

Originally posted by Nibedicus
We didn't exclude/include anything. The OP did. IF you have an issue with that, then I suggest that you make your own thread and stop trolling/baiting in this one. As it is here:

Dark Phoenix:

No, you are including DP, who is not in the OP. Jean Grey only has a few moments of screen time. When she KO's Wolverine in the mansion, and when she is dying. Absolutely zero feats.

Look at it another way: In the end, when DP was doing her tornado p.m.s. disintegration dance, who was in control? DP or Jean?

As for Benjamin, he was not a Cullen, but he was with the Cullens in the end.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
No, you are including DP, who is not in the OP. Jean Grey only has a few moments of screen time. When she KO's Wolverine in the mansion, and when she is dying. Absolutely zero feats.

Look at it another way: In the end, when DP was doing her tornado p.m.s. disintegration dance, who was in control? DP or Jean?

As for Benjamin, he was not a Cullen, but he was with the Cullens in the end.

Then he isn't a "Cullen" is he? The OP doesn't say "everyone at the end of Breaking Dawn part 2 who sided with the Cullens" does it?

Also please address this:

Originally posted by juggerman
So it's Jean(not DP) and the rest of the mutants against:

A SINGLE CULLEN(sorry bro OP clearly states you only get one so choose wisely)

ONE OF THE TWO WOLFPACKS(OP doesn't add an "s" so again we are dealing with singular here and in the movies the "Wolfpack" splits up with half following the original leader and half following Mr. Black. Again choose wisely)

And of course the ENTIRE VOLTURI(tried but couldn't be a dick here)

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
No, you are including DP, who is not in the OP. Jean Grey only has a few moments of screen time. When she KO's Wolverine in the mansion, and when she is dying. Absolutely zero feats.

Look at it another way: In the end, when DP was doing her tornado p.m.s. disintegration dance, who was in control? DP or Jean?

The same character with a split personality =/= different character.

It was Jean Grey. Plain and simple. The OP made it so, it's just that you're so desperate for the Twivamps to win, you'd even go as far as to make up silly technicalities that only an idiot would believe.

That or you're trolling. I'm a bit more convinced of the latter than former (Now more than ever.), however as I've seen you make good points on this forum and am convinced that you're NOT an idiot.
Give it up. No one's gonna bite your little bait.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
As for Benjamin, he was not a Cullen, but he was with the Cullens in the end.

"With" the Cullens during a part of the episode =/= part of the Cullens. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

OP's thread. OP's rules. You don't want it then go make your own.

I say we settle both of this with a mod ruling. I'm sure you know it won't turn well for you, thus I expect you to dance around the issue some more.

jeez 18 pages smdh.. well it has been said that laughter is good

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
jeez 18 pages smdh.. well it has been said that laughter is good

I'm not as old as some members here, so I gotta ask:

Does CW here sound like he's for real here or is he just trolling for attention?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The same character with a split personality =/= different character.

It was Jean Grey. Plain and simple. The OP made it so, it's just that you're so desperate for the Twivamps to win, you'd even go as far as to make up silly technicalities that only an idiot would believe.

That or you're trolling. I'm a bit more convinced of the latter than former (Now more than ever.), however as I've seen you make good points on this forum and am convinced that you're NOT an idiot.
Give it up. No one's gonna bite your little bait.

Let's try again: If Jean had been in control at the end, do you think she would have disintegrated everyone as DP did?

"With" the Cullens during a part of the episode =/= part of the Cullens. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

OP's thread. OP's rules. You don't want it then go make your own.

I say we settle both of this with a mod ruling. I'm sure you know it won't turn well for you, thus I expect you to dance around the issue some more.

edit

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Let's try again: If Jean had been in control at the end, do you think she would have disintegrated everyone as DP did?

The OP did NOT say: "Jean Grey personality"

He said:

Originally posted by rox
Jean Grey(Last Stand Version)

The VERSION of the character in said movie. W/c is the DP character.

Don't know how it can ever be any clearer than this.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
We don't need a mod ruling, we can discuss/decide this for ourselves.

As expected.

Dance little piggy dance.