Demonic Phoenix
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Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
First get something clear, i never said Konoha was nearly as old as the hermit.
Get something clear. I never said you said Konoha was nearly as old as the Sage. However, you do seem to be using Konoha as a reference point in order to somehow take the Hyuuga from being older than the Uchiha/Senju to being older than the Sage of the Six Paths himself.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
the Uchiha and Senju was brought into the ninja world and 1 was chosen to lead it. And so those 2 clans were supposed to be the oldest Bloodlines around, and yet when they finally stop killing each other and form a truce founding Konoha, they for some reason arent the oldest bloodline that Konoha has to offer (The Hyuga are)
Are you assuming that the two sons of the Sage were actually part of the Uchiha & the Senju clans? They were not. They were the ancestors of the two clans. It is clearly stated that a lot of time had passed ("time passed...the blood thinned"😉 and that certain descendants of the two sons still battled each other. The descendants in question being the Uchiha & the Senju. I guess this confusion is what makes you believe the Hyuuga were older than the Sage of the Six Paths.
Probably because the Hyuuga are quite possibly an older clan than the Uchiha & the Senju. Still does not make them older than the Sage of the Six Paths.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
even though the Uchiha weren't completely dead to stop the bloodline, they still had 4 Survivors.
No, the Uchiha had 1 unknown & 2 known survivors of the massacre, and all three of them were males. Ergo, the clan was effectively extinct after the massacre, as no pure-blooded members could be born; in addition, a clan is not made up of two individuals, but scores of individuals. One of the known survivors was a member of Akatsuki while the other eventually became a missing-nin. As far as the rest of Konoha was concerned, Obito was dead when the massacre occurred.
As for the Senju, the only known Senju member at the time was Tsunade, who wasn't even in Konoha when the massacre took place.
Also, it's telling that most if not all of the known Uchiha/Senju members are all more powerful than any known Hyuuga. Never mind it being explicitly stated that the Uchiha & the Senju were the strongest clans before the foundation of Konoha, by a good margin.
Again, the Hyuuga may very well be older than the Senju and the Uchiha, especially if Kakashi's line is true (which hasn't been confirmed or even referenced ever since it was stated). However, how the hell do you get that the Hyuuga are older than the Sage from Kakashi's & Hiashi's lines, when we know that the Sage is the first ninja, the Uchiha/Senju ancestors lived centuries before Konoha was formed, and the bloodline thinned before the birth of the Uchiha/Senju?
EDIT: Missed this part:
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
The sage is not the starter of the Byakugan, his Rinnegan only shared a trait similar to it.
No proof to confirm either side of the argument as far as I know. On one hand, if the Byakugan did give rise to the Sharingan, then the Sage is, to put it in your own words, 'the starter of the Byakugan', as the Sage existed long before the Hyuuga.
On the other hand, since Tobi never bothered to mention the Byakugan when he talked about the Sage's tablet, it's possible the Byakugan isn't even related. But that's too weak IMO, and the Sage has numerous descendants. The Uchiha, the Senju, and the Uzumaki are merely the known ones.
Ergo:
Rinn'egan --> Older Son's Doujutsu --> Byakugan --> Sharingan.