The Hyuga Clan predated Rikidou Sennin

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
You are so quick to call what i said fan fic when you don't have any proof of that whatsoever. because there aren't any fan fiction of Idashi Uchiha anywhere and if there were, those would be made to contradict me. And no Rikidou didnt create his sons he's not playing the role of god in Naruto he's playing the role of a very overpowered Adam. Im surprised you didnt realize that when he had brought and named all the Bijuus. (Animals) The Strongest clan physically is the Hyuga. Remember Masashi was inspired to make Naruto Mainly because of Dragonball Z. and you will see the Hyuga unleash their true power soon or in the 3rd series he's planning on making.

My proof is the entire Naruto manga that has been written up until this point in time. Your fan-fic crap is not going to convince anyone with sufficient knowledge of Naruto and an ounce of logic in their brains. Not unless you can divine the future of Naruto.

Rikidou never had any sons. He had 128 overgrown hamsters with his 1 legged, 2 headed, 4 breasted platypus-panda wife, with 8 pig toes, 16 pink wings, 32 porcupine quills on her ass, and 64 purple eyes. He brought all of them from his local convenience store at a very nice bargain...two potatoes I believe it cost him for the whole set. He was very happy. He spent the rest of his life hoping another bargain like that would come along. Sadly, he was delusional.
Rikudō Sennin on the other hand had two sons, and he created them with the Rinnegan. Just like he created and named all the Bijuus. So no, he is more of a creator-deity than a man who names things in a garden.

Nope. Strongest clan physically is the Akimichi. Choji would take Hinata as his sex slave, and then proceed to stomp the Hyuuga out of existence, who are smaller than SMALL-TIEM.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
My proof is the entire Naruto manga that has been written up until this point in time. Your fan-fic crap is not going to convince anyone with sufficient knowledge of Naruto and an ounce of logic in their brains. Not unless you can divine the future of Naruto.

Rikidou never had any sons. He had 128 overgrown hamsters with his 1 legged, 2 headed, 4 breasted platypus-panda wife, with 8 pig toes, 16 pink wings, 32 porcupine quills on her ass, and 64 purple eyes. He brought all of them from his local convenience store at a very nice bargain...two potatoes I believe it cost him for the whole set. He was very happy. He spent the rest of his life hoping another bargain like that would come along. Sadly, he was delusional.
Rikudō Sennin on the other hand had two sons, and he created them with the Rinnegan. Just like he created and named all the Bijuus. So no, he is more of a creator-deity than a man who names things in a garden.

Nope. Strongest clan physically is the Akimichi. Choji would take Hinata as his sex slave, and then proceed to stomp the Hyuuga out of existence, who are smaller than SMALL-TIEM.

Thats "your" proof that you have read visually leading up to the point of Neji's Death and have no Knowledge to speak of beyond that point due to your mindset being stuck solely on literacy. Literacy is not anywhere near a bad thing, but it shouldn't be used for 90% of cases. because if used too much, then that person will only rely on literacy in order to make something out as factual, that lowers the independant perception of the person tremendously. I thought you would have known that, but obviously you didn't. And yet you say you have an ounce of Logic? laughable.

You really don't know what he's talking about when he says fanfiction.

It's fanfiction because you will never find the name Idashi Uchiha in the past chapters. Not a face, not his name, not even a hint to his existence. If you can prove otherwise then it's not just fanfiction. Until then he is entirely correct in calling it fanfiction.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You really don't know what he's talking about when he says fanfiction.

It's fanfiction because you will never find the name Idashi Uchiha in the past chapters. Not a face, not his name, not even a hint to his existence. If you can prove otherwise then it's not just fanfiction. Until then he is entirely correct in calling it fanfiction.

The Hint to his existence is Naruto Shippuden episode 136. When Itachi was explaining the history of the uchiha to Sasuke, he shows the brothers Izuna and Madara Uchiha training with each other. In Genjustu form for sasuke to visibly witness the past events leading up to the uchiha's destruction. Over the time Madara and Izuna became corrupted with visions of power and using any attempts to achieve that visualized power, eventually leading up to the Night Madara unlocked the Mangekyou Sharingan unintentionally. the events leading up to madara achieving the Mangekyou Sharingan had motive, and that motive was Idoshen Uchiha the 2nd Brother of Madara and Father Of Idashi Uchiha. Before the night of the murder where madara unknowingly unlocked the Mangekyou, he found out that Idoshen Possessed the Black Flames as a Kekkei Genkai,

Thus Madara became infatuated with the Black Flames and more infatuated with discovering a way to possess the black flames for his own purposes and using any methods to achieve that visualized success, even using Idoshen's wife and newborn son as leverage. The Plan worked and Idoshen unwillingly volunteered to accompany Madara provided with the promise that Madara wouldn't kill his wife and newborn son Idashi. And in the end Madara killed Idoshen (a person close to him) in attempt to possess the Black Flames to a normal but failed, instead Madara alongside Izuna Uchiha awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan and the ability to use amaterasu. (Which is similar to the Kekkei Genkai that Idoshen possessed but it came with a cost) During the same night of the murder Madara had awakened a special Genjustu (Instead of the Kekkei Genkai black flames) a Genjustu that paralyzes an enemy within eye contact of the user,

Most Notably Seen during the 4th Great Ninja War when the Tsuchikage Onoki fell prey to the Genjustu, but was eventually freed.

Idashi's existence in Naruto Shippuden is proved to be a fact by Idoshen Uchiha being his father, and being the unrecognized Uchiha that Madara murdered on the night that he achieved the Mangekyou Sharingan. Idashi's existance is proved in Naruto Shippuden episode 136. The same episode where Madara took Izuna's eyes in order to achieve the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

Originally posted by Astner
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one would assume the sage had parents and other people populated the earth so it's fair to say the hyuuga could have been a reputable clan of normal humans like the oda clan, but to say so for sure without kishi showing proof doesn't mean much

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the senju clan predates the leaf, rikkudo predates ninja

one would assume the sage had parents and other people populated the earth so it's fair to say the hyuuga could have been a reputable clan of normal humans like the oda clan, but to say so for sure without kishi showing proof doesn't mean much

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
I can say for sure because of one reason. Rikudo Sennin Predates the NINJA WAY. NOT PEOPLE. it will be proven as a fact when Hinata confesses after the 4th Great Ninja war is over, and Naruto's acceptance to the confession will factify Rikudo's hyuga wife as history repeating itself.

your grasping for straws pretty heavily ever since you started this thread. he only thing you have to go on is fan theory, and not a popular one at that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
your grasping for straws pretty heavily ever since you started this thread. he only thing you have to go on is fan theory, and not a popular one at that.

So, in other words, a fan theory.... Since nobody, including you can accurately predict the future, all you actually posess is speculation.

In fact, the only thing of actual substance you have, is Kakashi's word, and word of mouth from a fallible character in-universe is not treated as a fact unless it is substantiated.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, in other words, a fan theory.... Since nobody, including you can accurately predict the future, all you actually posess is speculation.

In fact, the only thing of actual substance you have, is Kakashi's word, and word of mouth from a fallible character in-universe is not treated as a fact unless it is substantiated.

no offense, but you might not even know what constitutes a fact. you may believe it with the entirety of your heart and soul, but it's still just speculation at the end of the day unless kishi confirms it since his manga doesn't really fallow real logic 100%.

3 major things that people speculated about the manga that were later proven true: 1 naruto taming the 9-tails, 2 minato being naruto's father, and 3 obito ending up actually being tobi. those were the three most prevalent theories that were later proven correct, iirc all the other things about the manga were pretty nebulous

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no offense, but you might not even know what constitutes a fact. you may believe it with the entirety of your heart and soul, but it's still just speculation at the end of the day unless kishi confirms it since his manga doesn't really fallow real logic 100%.

3 major things that people speculated about the manga that were later proven true: 1 naruto taming the 9-tails, 2 minato being naruto's father, and 3 obito ending up actually being tobi. those were the three most prevalent theories that were later proven correct, iirc all the other things about the manga were pretty nebulous

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All that is going through my head right now.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
I know that this and most other forum sites follow the sole code of literacy conserning the debates of fictional Series. You confuse (Known facts) with (Facts). There's a big difference between known facts and facts itself. The 3 theories that you mentioned were facts to begin with but unknowingly. (But whether they are known facts or facts itself is for the perception of the individual to uncover in hopes to achieve the actual verification) Even a physiologically challenged adult would have seen those 3 possibilities coming into actuality. And in the end the facts that were already told before the revelation will not become (Known) facts untill Masashi states it himself. Don't confuse the meanings to both of those words even if they are easily misinterpreted.

Long story short: You're probably not familiar with how burdens of proof and rules of evidence work in debate.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Its no Fan Fiction if so then how about you try to find this "fan fiction" with (Idashi Uchiha's) name on it.

Idashi Uchiha is Fan-Fictional crap.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Thats "your" proof that you have read visually leading up to the point of Neji's Death and have no Knowledge to speak of beyond that point due to your mindset being stuck solely on literacy.

This is not called 'Knowledge'. It is called 'Speculation'. Use a dictionary every once in a while. Even an online dictionary will suffice for you.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Literacy is not anywhere near a bad thing, but it shouldn't be used for 90% of cases. because if used too much, then that person will only rely on literacy in order to make something out as factual, that lowers the independant perception of the person tremendously.

Some of the events that occur Naruto are hinted at in previous chapters by Kishimoto, some are not, and some do not make an inkling of sense (forum term is 'asspull'😉.

'Idashi Uchiha' isn't even hinted at in Naruto, whatsoever. If he does make an appearance, it will be the worst asspull Kishimoto has ever made. Sasuke, while at Ground Zero of a massive explosion, pulling off a summoning jutsu, a genjutsu, and a Shunshin (i.e. massive asspull), makes more sense than the existence of this supposed nephew of Madara.
Though frankly, I wouldn't put it past Kishimoto to reveal such a character, or to hint at his existence. Dude has done some crazy shit these past 12 years.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
I thought you would have known that, but obviously you didn't. And yet you say you have an ounce of Logic? laughable.

B*tch please.
Claiming the lowly Hyuuga clan were around before the Sage of the Six Paths by using one single forgotten line by a fallible character (Kakashi) as supposed evidence, in addition to a prideful boast by a Hyuuga member who would get one-shotted by a Sasuke Uchiha who is banging Hinata while blind-folded, is the very definition of illogical.
As is taking that one single forgotten line as gospel, and wrongly assuming that the two brothers who were the ancestors of the Uchiha & Senju clans, were actually a part of the Uchiha & Senju clans.
As is stating that the Hyuuga clan is older than the Sage of the Six Paths as the Uchiha & Senju clans supposedly started during the era of the two brothers.
As is stating that the Sage of the Six Paths had a Hyuuga as his wife.

So yes, I am the one with at least an ounce of logic. The same cannot be said of you.

In summary:

1) You lost the Hyuuga argument. The Hyuuga were, are, and will always be, SMALL-TIEM.

2) You don't know the manga as well as you think you do.

3) You obviously do not know the difference between what is logical and what is illogical, much less the difference between fact and fiction. Claiming otherwise will not change this.

4) Your fan-fictional crap has been picked apart by multiple people, and on multiple boards. No one here will believe it, and no one here will ever believe it until Kishi hints at it in the manga, or you provide solid evidence as to how you know Idashi Uchiha exists, which so far, you have failed to do so, spectacularly.

5) This is a shonen manga, not a literary masterpiece. It does not warrant extreme scrutiny for anything, including foreshadowing.

6)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
'Idashi Uchiha' isn't even hinted at in Naruto, whatsoever. If he does make an appearance, it will be the worst asspull Kishimoto has ever made. Sasuke, while at Ground Zero of a massive explosion, pulling off a summoning jutsu, a genjutsu, and a Shunshin (i.e. massive asspull), makes more sense than the existence of this supposed nephew of Madara.
Though frankly, I wouldn't put it past Kishimoto to reveal such a character, or to hint at his existence. Dude has done some crazy shit these past 12 years.

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phuck, had to read it

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Idashi Uchiha is the Ninja Known as the Shadow, he is the same age as Asuma Late 40's to early 50's. He is the Son of Idoshen Uchiha and Nephew of Madara Uchiha.He will Appear either During the 4th Great Ninja War to assist Sasuke Uchiha in Defeating Edo Tensi Uchiha Madara. or Appear Sometime after the War to break Shinigami's Curse on Minato Namikaze, Bringing Him Back to life with a Unidentified Spiritualization Justu. he is also is also the Bearer of Pyro The Pheniox Dragon. But thats Something to be Explained for Another time A.N.Y Q.U.E.S.T.I.O.N.S?

favorite part is underlined. I have a lot of questions, sir

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Yep thats your opinion. You don't know the definition of Fact. FACTS come in more forms then just literacy. You and everyone else better be lucky that i have a high tolerance for other individual opinionated contradiction.

Hey look, I don't care if you theories to your hearts content kid, but don't EVER treat your theories as canon facts until you have actual evidence.

Oh, and don't try to outline what I know or don't know kid, all that does is prove your an idiot.

If anything predates the Sage it would be the Samurai. If he was the founder of ninjutsu(or rather the manipulation of chakra) then it would make sense for wars at the time to be fought with plain ol' swords. In addition to that Hanzo implies that ninjutsu eventually replaced samurai teachings most every where.

But that time is really far in the past so meh.

Originally posted by Q99
Long story short: You're probably not familiar with how burdens of proof and rules of evidence work in debate.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Idashi Uchiha is Fan-Fictional crap.

This is not called 'Knowledge'. It is called 'Speculation'. Use a dictionary every once in a while. Even an online dictionary will suffice for you.

Some of the events that occur Naruto are hinted at in previous chapters by Kishimoto, some are not, and some do not make an inkling of sense (forum term is 'asspull'😉.

'Idashi Uchiha' isn't even hinted at in Naruto, whatsoever. If he does make an appearance, it will be the worst asspull Kishimoto has ever made. Sasuke, while at Ground Zero of a massive explosion, pulling off a summoning jutsu, a genjutsu, and a Shunshin (i.e. massive asspull), makes more sense than the existence of this supposed nephew of Madara.
Though frankly, I wouldn't put it past Kishimoto to reveal such a character, or to hint at his existence. Dude has done some crazy shit these past 12 years.

B*tch please.
Claiming the lowly Hyuuga clan were around before the Sage of the Six Paths by using one single forgotten line by a fallible character (Kakashi) as supposed evidence, in addition to a prideful boast by a Hyuuga member who would get one-shotted by a Sasuke Uchiha who is banging Hinata while blind-folded, is the very definition of illogical.
As is taking that one single forgotten line as gospel, and wrongly assuming that the two brothers who were the ancestors of the Uchiha & Senju clans, were actually a part of the Uchiha & Senju clans.
As is stating that the Hyuuga clan is older than the Sage of the Six Paths as the Uchiha & Senju clans supposedly started during the era of the two brothers.
As is stating that the Sage of the Six Paths had a Hyuuga as his wife.

So yes, I am the one with at least an ounce of logic. The same cannot be said of you.

In summary:

1) You lost the Hyuuga argument. The Hyuuga were, are, and will always be, SMALL-TIEM.

2) You don't know the manga as well as you think you do.

3) You obviously do not know the difference between what is logical and what is illogical, much less the difference between fact and fiction. Claiming otherwise will not change this.

4) Your fan-fictional crap has been picked apart by multiple people, and on multiple boards. No one here will believe it, and no one here will ever believe it until Kishi hints at it in the manga, or you provide solid evidence as to how you know Idashi Uchiha exists, which so far, you have failed to do so, spectacularly.

5) This is a shonen manga, not a literary masterpiece. It does not warrant extreme scrutiny for anything, including foreshadowing.

6)