Team PC Validus Vs Team Mangog

What's with the attempt(s) at low-balling Omega by using scans that don't prove... Anything..?

*cracks knuckles*

Here pre-crisis Superboy effortlessly tows 13 planets (that I could count) behind him:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186670_v1.jpg]

Despite possessing THAT level of strength, Superboy states Validus is "a DOZEN" times more powerful than he is:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186674_v2.jpg]

Validus demonstrates said superiority by stomping Superboy (literally):
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186688_v3.jpg]
Hell, Superboy almost KO'd himself just by running into Val.

Val also possessed energy attacks (mental lightning) so potent that, even in a drastically weakened state, he was able to fend off a Sun Eater:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186692_v4.jpg]
And back then, Sun Eaters were powerful enough to destroy entire galaxies. In fact, the one Val sent packing did destroy a galaxy.

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Now that Val's power level has been solidified, lets move on to Omega...

*cracks neck*

Both Mon-El and Superboy(of whom have BOTH battled Validus on several occasions) stated Omega was stronger. Omega then proceeds to own Mon-El with a single blow(a blow that would take Mon-El out of commission for multiple issues):
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186643_1.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186645_2.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186650_3.jpg]

Omega goes on to KO Superboy and Ultraman:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186652_4.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186657_5.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186660_6.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186663_7.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186666_8.jpg]

Owns Colossal Boy:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186878_9.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186880_10.jpg]

Tanks Wildfire's full force anti-matter energy attack:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186883_11.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186886_12.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186889_13.jpg]

The ONLY way Omega could be stopped was by destroying the Miracle Machine-- a task Matter-Eater Lad alone was capable of.
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186890_14.jpg]

In short: pre-crisis characters of THAT magnitude barely even managed to knock Omega down, much less cause him any type of harm. Wtf is this team supposed to do to him?

Originally posted by Galan007
What's with the attempt(s) at low-balling Omega by using scans that don't prove... Anything..?

*cracks knuckles*

Here pre-crisis Superboy effortlessly tows 13 planets (that I could count) behind him:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186670_v1.jpg]

Despite possessing THAT level of strength, Superboy states Validus is "a DOZEN" times more powerful than he is:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186674_v2.jpg]

Validus demonstrates said superiority by stomping Superboy (literally):
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186688_v3.jpg]
Hell, Superboy almost KO'd himself just by running into Val.

Val also possessed energy attacks (mental lightning) so potent that, even in a drastically weakened state, he was able to fend off a Sun Eater:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186692_v4.jpg]
And back then, Sun Eaters were powerful enough to destroy entire galaxies. In fact, the one Val sent packing did destroy a galaxy.

---

Now that Val's power level has been solidified, lets move on to Omega...

*cracks neck*

Both Mon-El and Superboy(of whom have BOTH battled Validus on several occasions) stated Omega was stronger. Omega then proceeds to own Mon-El with a single blow(a blow that would take Mon-El out of commission for multiple issues):
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186643_1.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186645_2.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186650_3.jpg]

Omega goes on to KO Superboy and Ultraman:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186652_4.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186657_5.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186660_6.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186663_7.jpg]
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14186666_8.jpg]

Owns Colossal Boy:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186878_9.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186880_10.jpg]

Tanks Wildfire's full force anti-matter energy attack:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186883_11.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186886_12.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186889_13.jpg]

The ONLY way Omega could be stopped was by destroying the Miracle Machine-- a task Matter-Eater Lad alone was capable of.
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/14186890_14.jpg]

In short: pre-crisis characters of THAT magnitude barely even managed to knock Omega down, much less cause him any type of harm. Wtf is this team supposed to do to him?

That why Im saying IMO Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!

Double ko?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Double ko?

If possible, I see more like when JLA created another PC Shaggy Man to battle the original PC Shaggy Man, never ending battle IMO!

Originally posted by the Darkone
That why Im saying IMO Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!

That was more than 13 planets, notice how the line of planets curves off into the background to be too small to be seen. And the dialogue indicates it was all the inhabited planets in an entire galaxy.

There are ~400 billion stars in our galaxy, assuming each star has an average of 5 planets (this is probably lowballing), DC verse has tons of alien races... even on multiple planets in the same system (Earth and Mars, Saturn...) so to lowball it again let's say 1 out of every 100 planets in inhabited. So he would be towing some 20 billion planets.

I've never had any luck googling which issue the Superboy feat happened in.

Anybody know?

Originally posted by cdtm
I've never had any luck googling which issue the Superboy feat happened in.

Anybody know?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy 140.

So what was the deal with the green comet?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So what was the deal with the green comet?

Omega's real problem is poor design. It looks minimally considered, like Clayface breaking out from rotten steroids. Mangog (especially as drawn by King Kirby), truly looked monstrous and grotesque, not at all like a humanoid pustule.

I'd like to have seen Kirby draw Omega, or Validus for that matter.

In any event, I don't necessarily see Omega matched with Mangog. PC Validus will do just fine.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was more than 13 planets, notice how the line of planets curves off into the background to be too small to be seen. And the dialogue indicates it was all the inhabited planets in an entire galaxy.

There are ~400 billion stars in our galaxy, assuming each star has an average of 5 planets (this is probably lowballing), DC verse has tons of alien races... even on multiple planets in the same system (Earth and Mars, Saturn...) so to lowball it again let's say 1 out of every 100 planets in inhabited. So he would be towing some 20 billion planets.

"countless billion lives", well how many people ever lived in earth's history? idunno, countless billions sounds about right, though

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Like I care, Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!!

so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength

That's PC Superboy and other PC characters were written ridiculous, Superboy Prime is the only one that has demonstrated it. Lets take their average like PC Superman he will have problems in this especially against Destroyer, Juggernaut and Thor, by no means it's a wash for Team 1!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Like I care, Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength

Originally posted by Mindship
Omega's real problem is poor design. It looks minimally considered, like Clayface breaking out from rotten steroids. Mangog (especially as drawn by King Kirby), truly looked monstrous and grotesque, not at all like a humanoid pustule.

I'd like to have seen Kirby draw Omega, or Validus for that matter.

In any event, I don't necessarily see Omega matched with Mangog. PC Validus will do just fine.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
is anything in LOSH truly inspired work?

Ummmm Listen, I think Team 1 wins.. but let's not exaggerate Omega and Validus here. Imo no selling blows and blasts from Odin imo is just as impressive, if not more so, that doing the same for PC SB. To me, SA Mangog is every bit as impressive as those two. That said, I still think one wins because I think they are overall more formidable.