Team PC Validus Vs Team Mangog

Originally posted by abhilegend
He beat mangog however he did. Who reminded odin cn't beat mangog considering he was actually referred as "A spell of odin given form". Considering he beat mangog in a battle, its a combat feat unless you think only punching is a combat feat. Also in Thor 250 mangog accepted that he is no match for odin.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lmao
Mangog never defeated a non weakened Odin. Odin has defeated Mangog. I thought you read about it.

It is said over and over and over in these stories. And, since I am seeing many posts of panels posted by pro-Omega and pro-Validus members, that are using the opinions and statement of characters in the stories, there should be no reason to deny the same type of evidence in the support of Mangog.

In this second Mangog story, after we watch Mangog abuse all of Asgard, including Thor and Odin, over and over, Odin is finally able to do away with Mangog by the same type of formula. After several books that focus on the fact that Odin is broken in spirit and terrified of the fact that he cannot defeat Mangog and Mangog is on his way to kill them all, once again, Odin resorts to another disconnection of Mangog from his power as the only solution.

In this second story Odin is manhandled 2 times by Mangog at 2 separate times. Although it is an Odin that is tired from all the magic he has expended during the battle.

In these 4 panels, Odin starts at Full Strength, then Mangog topples the entire army that Odin is leading against Mangog. Then, as Mangog approaches, Odin chickens out and, for the sake of "a thousand universes", according to Odin, he shunts Asgard completely off of the 616 plane of existence, so when Mangog draws the Twilight Sword, it will not end a thousand universes. But, before he does this, Odin is at full power.

Odin proves again and again, that the only way to battle Mangog, is for him not to engage Mangog in any form of head on attack.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He did not beat Mangog in a battle.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand.

Here is that finale. Odin states that he is weakened from the battle against Mangog. Then, after bathing in the waters of the Twilight Well, Odin's power is extended. From there, he goes after Mangog and even with his extended power, all he can do, is cut Mangog off from his power source, again.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Let me try to put these events into the proper context.

Here is that finale. Odin states that he is weakened from the battle against Mangog. Then, after bathing in the waters of the Twilight Well, Odin's power is extended. From there, he goes after Mangog and even with his extended power, all he can do, is cut Mangog off from his power source, again.

Mangog is more powerful than a Thousand Thors.

Mangog: “Not a Thousand Thunder Gods could stop me now.”

Asgardian Warrior: “Not all the fabled strength of Thor, nor a thousand such, can make him (Mangog) cancel half a step.”.

Hmmm... I wonder what the writers were trying to say! 🙄

Another time that Mangog defeats an entire Asgardian army. This time, he does it with one blow.

Here are some "Sad, Scared Odin" posts:

Loki: “Mangog. He whom even Odin fears”’.

Odin, about Mangog: “’gainst a foe I cannot defeat.”

Odin could only imprison Mangog.

Nice little strength/durability feat:

Mangog has a mountain knocked on top of him. An Asgardian mountain, 3 times the density of Earth. Then, Narration: “The entire Multi-Billion Ton Weight of boulders flies through the air like countless grains of sand.”.

There is a lot more. But, come on!

Originally posted by Horrificus
He did not beat Mangog in a battle.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He stopped mangog in his tracks casually and shut him off from his power which is actually Odin's spell given form. That's what is called beating someone in combat. That's not a low feat in slightest, all the legion members combined couldn't put a scratch on miracle machine and neither could time trapper.

1. Odin and other supporting characters in those story arcs state that Odin cannot defeat Mangog and Odin fears Mangog. This was stated several times and cannot be ignored.
2. Each time Mangog was temporarily defeated, it was through a "backdoor" and not through combat. Odin, who is more powerful than any characters in Team Validus, was unable to defeat Mangog in combat.
3. The ways that Odin disconnected Mangog from his power-source could NEVER be reproduced by any of the characters on Team Validus.
4. Odin is more powerful than the members of Team Validus.

And, this is only addressing the angle I am using that holds Odin as the measuring stick. There are other statements made in these stories, that I have posted above, that are above the few statements made in support of Omega or Validus.

And, there are more that I haven't posted, because, frankly, I shouldn't have to post entire story arcs just because opposition has not read them, or doesn't remember them.

The books are filled with constant statements and feats that say and show Mangog is unbeatable in combat. Period.

Further arguments would be:

1. Mangog is further empowered by the Hate of Omega.
2. Mangog is further empowered by the Violence of Validus or Omega.
3. Mangog has been shown to also access other power-sources.
4. Mangog is more powerful than Mangog or Omega.
5. Mangog cannot be permanently destroyed, as Odin stated.

I would also think Omega could stand up to Odin.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I would also think Omega could stand up to Odin.

He showed up, did some minimal stuff, a couple characters made some statements, then he was gone.

He needed PIS to defeat him, though. Not even the combined LOSH could scratch him. That's enough in my book.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He needed PIS to defeat him, though. Not even the combined LOSH could scratch him. That's enough in my book.

Ulik said he was nothing to Mangog and this is Classic Ulik, before being used as Marvel Fodder.

Kartag was the keeper of the Twilight Well, which is a double of the well Odin drew his power from. Kartag was a notch below Odin, with size, strength and mystical abilities to match. Mangog aced him in a single attack.

An all out losh? Id say yes. Imo they are the most powerful, well rounded team of all time.

Originally posted by Golgo13
An all out losh? Id say yes. Imo they are the most powerful, well rounded team of all time.

If anybody has trouble opening those thumbnails, let me know. Thanks.

Yep. Three pc bricks, a powerful mage, beings who can control the fundamental forces, a pre cog and one of the smartest beings in comics, among others. They were stacked.

they were plot devices