Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Of course not.But if you knew about Sentry's feats, you'd know that WWH wasn't Sentry's greatest display of power. Which is what I'm getting at.
His statement isn't completely baseless, but stop acting like WWH was Sentry at the peak of his power (presumably just because he fought Hulk).
Are there any other fights where Sentry said he wasn't holding back? Scans?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Of course not.But if you knew about Sentry's feats, you'd know that WWH wasn't Sentry's greatest display of power. Which is what I'm getting at.
His statement isn't completely baseless, but stop acting like WWH was Sentry at the peak of his power (presumably just because he fought Hulk).
Didn't Pak (?) say in an interview later that nothing short of cosmic intervention could have stopped WWH if he didn't want to be stopped?
That's how Pak (?) wrote the WWH storyline. Most people may not like it or agree with it, but that's just how it is.
Originally posted by zopzop
Not for anything but Carver has a point. Why can't we just accept what the writer intended, that Sentry going all out burned himself out against WWH?Didn't Pak (?) say in an interview later that nothing short of cosmic intervention could have stopped WWH if he didn't want to be stopped?
That's how Pak (?) wrote the WWH storyline. Most people may not like it or agree with it, but that's just how it is.
Pretty much.
That's good for Pak's take on Hulk, sure.
But that doesn't mean that Pak's take on Sentry was the most powerful we've ever seen, either. Not when we have Jenkins' take and Bendis' as well, both of whom have feats superior to fighting WWH.
So, yeah, if you use solely WWH as the basis for Sentry and arbitrarily declare it to be the most powerful we've ever seen Sentry, fine. But if you look at the whole picture, it's obvious it wasn't. And he was goading Hulk into unloading on him in the first place.
Not to get into it, but Pak wrote a stupid phucking story with Sentry fighting WWH. I took it as Bob released all of his energy, thus going all out. He also controlled it via the funnel clouds so destruction would be limited. He definitely did not go all out physically. The Hulk was punching him in the face while Bob didnt even defend himself and he was laughing. The common fanboys see it as Hulk beating the very best Sentry ever and thats just not true. Not even close.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's good for Pak's take on Hulk, sure.But that doesn't mean that Pak's take on Sentry was the most powerful we've ever seen, either. Not when we have Jenkins' take and Bendis' as well, both of whom have feats superior to fighting WWH.
So, yeah, if you use solely WWH as the basis for Sentry and arbitrarily declare it to be the most powerful we've ever seen Sentry, fine. But if you look at the whole picture, it's obvious it wasn't. And he was goading Hulk into unloading on him in the first place.
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A lot of people wrote Surfer better than his latest fight against Thor but I'm not going to sit here and call out powers Surfer should have used to turn the table against Thor either and I sure as hell don't think Surfer was holding back even though again, we've seen a better written Surfer than the one that fought Thor. This type of debating is, well, lame.
Originally posted by carver9
A lot of people wrote Surfer better than his latest fight against Thor but I'm not going to sit here and call out powers Surfer should have used to turn the table against Thor either and I sure as hell don't think Surfer was holding back even though again, we've seen a better written Surfer than the one that fought Thor. This type of debating is, well, lame.
Surfer didn't go there to fight, but he wasn't trying to ask Thor to beat the shit out of him. He was only pushed until Thor kept attacking him, prompting him to get angry. That fight was fair and good for both of them.
There's a difference between going forum mode and having a specific portrayal where a character is clearly depicted as being above themselves in another arc due to their mindset.
Hulk and Sentry are two such characters where their psyche and mentality greatly effect their performance, more so than other top tiers. Sentry was there and wanted Hulk to rearrange his face. Hulk obliged him. Completely different examples.
Sentry was smiling like a jack ass and encouraging Hulk to punch him. 😬
I'm not taking anything away from Hulk in that he was still able to cause Reynolds to burn out his energy, but seriously, stop trying to act like that was Sentry at his best actively trying to best Hulk. He didn't know he could matter manipulate and shit at that time. And yes, I'm well aware that, per Pak, WWH Hulk was still "holding back".
People state lots of things in comics, Carver. facepalm
Trying to hold onto statements as the gospel is stupid. And statements with accompanying feats are great, that is, unless they're contradicted by other examples.
So, again, if you think Sentry as he was portrayed during WWH was, hands down, the most powerful depiction of the character - presumably because he threw down with Hulk as we both know you're not subtle at all - cool. I'll continue to think that Sentry has other, more superior feats than that.
Which he does.
Lol.
Hulk has levels. Prior to HOTM/WWH, the most powerful we had seen of the Hulk was the Savage levels (Ok, barring other short term one off personas). At the time, if he had said that he was going 'all out', shall we ignore HOTM/WWH showings and only use the feats he displays in that Savage Hulk comic???
NO!
Sentry has levels.
At the time of WWH, he was going all out. At that level. Subsequent to that, he developed new powers etc. Shall we ignore all subsequent character development, and stick to that showing?
I dont know if I can take that fight seriously though. A Sentry going all out was releasing all of his energy. That much was true and props to the Hulk for being one of the very few characters to take it, but I find it hysterical that Bob wasnt even fighting back half the time and laughing trying to goad the Hulk into pounding on him some more. The fact that the Sentry was able to unleash all of his energy and said it felt great being able to go all out or cut loose causes people to think that was the best the Sentry had. Hell, if he used speed and actually physically fought back like he wanted to win, he probably would have beat the Hulk to death. See the difference?
He wouldn't have defeated Hulk...that much was made clear during the arc. Hulk couldn't be defeated...hell, even Pac states "nothing short of Galactus would have stopped Hulk".
Uuuummm, Sentry did blitz in the fight. Sentry got the first 5 licks on Hulk before Hulk had the chance to do anything. The famous words of H1...combo but not a ko. Hulk was just to durable to be dropped by Sentry and again, let's stop pretending Hulk was the only one given licks. Both allowed each other to tap that head.
Sentry had his fist, energy, flight, and blast whereas Hulk only had his hands and he was still able to take Sentry out. Just accept it and move on.