Originally posted by DampyreSince it's not canon then it doesn't count towards anything as it never happened.
A hungry Galactus and Silver Surfer rolled over Darkseid and Apokalips in The Hunger. It's not cacon but it's something to think about. I don't see how New God technology is even on par with Galactus' tech, let alone superior.
Originally posted by janus77I have never seen it stated that SS can and does draw power from any and everything. Sentry is not, by design, a herald level character. He is only a herald through lack of understanding of his own abilities. Just like MM is limited by his state of mind, so is Sentry. Not to say that Sentry is on MM's level of power, but you should be able to understand my point.
Sentry, like Surfer, can use just about anything to amp himself. There are a lot of characters that can do that (within the herald tier). I don't see how that makes Sentry special.The whole thing with Hulk on the other hand, is that his mass and energy is extra-dimensional in origins. It's literally backed by a whole universe, somewhere.
It's like claiming that Surfer has equal energy stores to Galactus, just because he can amp from the universe around him.
Hulk's universe of power in which he draws from is no different than Sentry's.
Originally posted by Mindset
I have never seen it stated that SS can and does draw power from any and everything. Sentry is not, by design, a herald level character. He is only a herald through lack of understanding of his own abilities. Just like MM is limited by his state of mind, so is Sentry. Not to say that Sentry is on MM's level of power, but you should be able to understand my point.Hulk's universe of power in which he draws from is no different than Sentry's.
Sentry has done nothing that really places him above High Herald, imo. His MM feat is just an example of MM's insanity and low status currently (he's had a few of them, iirc).
I think Sentry is pretty much a Surfer-like character, with some limitations that Surfer doesn't posses and without the mental blocks on using his powers.
As for the Hulk comparison, I think they're qualitatively different statements. Sentry draws power from this universe much like Surfer can (and a few others too)... Hulk does that too (nukes, gammabombs etc) but also from an explicitly stated extra-dimensional source/alternative universe.
I've never seen anything state that Sentry has some alt universe into which he's plugged and from which he draws power.
Originally posted by janus77We know Surfer can take energy from multiple different sources, that's not what is being discussed. Has it ever been asserted that he draws power from any and everything? To my knowledge, no, it hasn't.
Re Surfer, it's been depicted and (I think) stated too. He drew power from a star, "replenished himself". He's taken Old Power and other energies too.Sentry has done nothing that really places him above High Herald, imo. His MM feat is just an example of MM's insanity and low status currently (he's had a few of them, iirc).
I think Sentry is pretty much a Surfer-like character, with some limitations that Surfer doesn't posses and without the mental blocks on using his powers.
As for the Hulk comparison, I think they're qualitatively different statements. Sentry draws power from this universe much like Surfer can (and a few others too)... Hulk does that too (nukes, gammabombs etc) but also from an explicitly stated extra-dimensional source/alternative universe.
I've never seen anything state that Sentry has some alt universe into which he's plugged and from which he draws power.
The Void, which is Sentry, has taken on multiple high heralds iirc.
Sentry, from the statement, essentially has this entire universe to draw power from. Hulk, from the statement, has an entire universe to draw power from. There is no difference.
Sentry doesn't need an alternate universe, he draws from the one he is in.
Originally posted by Mindset
We know Surfer can take energy from multiple different sources, that's not what is being discussed. Has it ever been asserted that he draws power from any and everything? To my knowledge, no, it hasn't.The Void, which is Sentry, has taken on multiple high heralds iirc.
Sentry, from the statement, essentially has this entire universe to draw power from. Hulk, from the statement, has an entire universe to draw power from. There is no difference.
Sentry doesn't need an alternate universe, he draws from the one he is in.
Sentry can't have "this entire universe" to draw from, as he's basically sharing it with beings of far higher energy drawing capacity (Galactus for one, the Celestials, Watchers etc etc).
There are lots of beings that draw energy from 616, so to me this statement isn't of the same quality as the statements (and depictions) regarding Hulk.
Think of it this way, Hulk has a trust fund with untold billions safely secured away for him to access. He also has an "unlimited" credit card on the 616 Universe. Sentry just has the latter, as does Surfer (and others).
Originally posted by carver9
He wouldn't have defeated Hulk...that much was made clear during the arc. Hulk couldn't be defeated...hell, even Pac states "nothing short of Galactus would have stopped Hulk".Uuuummm, Sentry did blitz in the fight. Sentry got the first 5 licks on Hulk before Hulk had the chance to do anything. The famous words of H1...combo but not a ko. Hulk was just to durable to be dropped by Sentry and again, let's stop pretending Hulk was the only one given licks. Both allowed each other to tap that head.
Sentry had his fist, energy, flight, and blast whereas Hulk only had his hands and he was still able to take Sentry out. Just accept it and move on.
Yes, the Sentry's antagonizing karate chops and ***** slaps was him going all out. I'll bet Genis was glad he didnt get that treatment.
Originally posted by janus77Why do you keep including SS, he can't draw energy from anything, neither can Hulk. Sentry, by statements, can. So both he and Hulk have their own infinite universe to draw power from. And if you have unlimited credit, a trust fund is pretty useless.
Sentry taking on multiple heralds is decent, Surfer's taken down Skyfathers and taken on Galactus level beings (and survived). For high heralds, I think that's their uncommon but not completely unheard of.Sentry can't have "this entire universe" to draw from, as he's basically sharing it with beings of far higher energy drawing capacity (Galactus for one, the Celestials, Watchers etc etc).
There are lots of beings that draw energy from 616, so to me this statement isn't of the same quality as the statements (and depictions) regarding Hulk.
Think of it this way, Hulk has a trust fund with untold billions safely secured away for him to access. He also has an "unlimited" credit card on the 616 Universe. Sentry just has the latter, as does Surfer (and others).
Originally posted by tkitna
Yes, the Sentry's antagonizing karate chops and ***** slaps was him going all out. I'll bet Genis was glad he didnt get that treatment.
Do we have to break down every fight to give ideas on what a character should have done to win because this would take yrs. Just accept what happened and move on bro. Sentry went all out and lost...just that simple. He exerted more force against WWH than what he did against Genis. Plain and clear.
Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you keep including SS, he can't draw energy from anything, neither can Hulk. Sentry, by statements, can. So both he and Hulk have their own infinite universe to draw power from. And if you have unlimited credit, a trust fund is pretty useless.
Sentry's statement can be taken as basically a loose description of what Surfer does (take energy from many many forms within the universe) but he shares that source with other beings who take even more energy from it (Galactus, his heralds, other cosmic entities).
The point being that he never truly has full access to all that energy and if he fought someone else hooked up to the same source (like Surfer) he'd have no advantage from it.
Also, without evidence (on-panel) it's a huge stretch to imagine that having access to energies from 616 = being able to channel infinite energies. Even with Hulk, we only have examples of outbursts that are, at best, on the skyfather scale (HOTM), but Sentry has been explicitly shown to have been tapped out fairly easily.
Taking it back to the analogy, you can have unlimited credit yet still have a daily limit on how much you can withdraw from the atm/bank. Hulk, it seems, has the facility to draw out as much as he wants.
Originally posted by janus77Or it can be taken as something completely different from what Surfer does.
Surfer just shows how it is something not entirely uncommon to high heralds.Sentry's statement can be taken as basically a loose description of what Surfer does (take energy from many many forms within the universe) but he shares that source with other beings who take even more energy from it (Galactus, his heralds, other cosmic entities).
The point being that he never truly has full access to all that energy and if he fought someone else hooked up to the same source (like Surfer) he'd have no advantage from it.
Also, without evidence (on-panel) it's a huge stretch to imagine that having access to energies from 616 = being able to channel infinite energies. Even with Hulk, we only have examples of outbursts that are, at best, on the skyfather scale (HOTM), but Sentry has been explicitly shown to have been tapped out fairly easily.
Taking it back to the analogy, you can have unlimited credit yet still have a daily limit on how much you can withdraw from the atm/bank. Hulk, it seems, has the facility to draw out as much as he wants.
Who cares if Hulk can draw as much as he wants, he can't, that doesn't have anything to do with what I was discussing with carver.
In case you were wondering, I ignored most of your post as it was irrelevant.
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
he didnt go all out dude u just refuse to beleive it bcuz its up against hulk if it were anyone else you'd be singing a different tune that was a fraction of his power at best and stalemated hulk
It's fascinating how people can believe the opposite of what is stated and depicted and yet claim to be reading the comic.
Originally posted by Mindset
Or it can be taken as something completely different from what Surfer does.Who cares if Hulk can draw as much as he wants, he can't, that doesn't have anything to do with what I was discussing with carver.
In case you were wondering, I ignored most of your post as it was irrelevant.
You feel he was supposed to be a character far beyond herald level, I disagree and I see his "infinite energies" thing as just being a technicality rather different to what Marvel have traditionally described as being the case for Hulk.
Anyway, you want to take Sentry's claim as definitive...
Originally posted by janus77The on panel depiction happened when he fought Genis.
Without any on-panel depiction, it is most reasonable to see it as being a loose description of being able to do the same thing as Vulcan, Surfer ...You feel he was supposed to be a character far beyond herald level, I disagree and I see his "infinite energies" thing as just being a technicality rather different to what Marvel have traditionally described as being the case for Hulk.
Anyway, you want to take Sentry's claim as definitive...
Actually, no, I don't. I disagree, they are the same.
Sentry didn't claim it, the writer did.
Originally posted by carver9
Do we have to break down every fight to give ideas on what a character should have done to win because this would take yrs. Just accept what happened and move on bro. Sentry went all out and lost...just that simple. He exerted more force against WWH than what he did against Genis. Plain and clear.
stop hulk wanking. You are disregarding the characters power set and history. How many times does it have to be explained for you? Seems like pretty much every other poster understands.
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
i was told the past 2 days u cant go by whats stated... if thats the case he has the power of 1 million exploding suns and was obviously not going all out and ur point is moot check mate
Pak made it pretty got darn clear Sentry brought out his power of a million exploding suns.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh016.jpg
I don't understand people. Some of you all have been on this site for yrs now and you are still basing things off of collateral damage. It's time you all graduated from that.
