Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't HAVE to one-shot him to beat him, though.
Correct. But you have to nearly one shot him or beat him quickly. Any prolong fight goes in his favor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn't Bloodwynde Martian Manhunter...
Ice the character is also magic based
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Resistant against blasts, not magic though. And he wasn't that resistant to Imperiex.Who in the JL tried magic blasting him?
He is resistant to energy blast that kills him and then adapts to it, Bloodwyn is nowhere near Destroyer magic based powers and cosmic, Destroyer was created to fight Celestial and was granted fraction of power by the Sky Fathers and the Odin Force.
Imperiax disintegrated him, Aegis Armor disintegrated him, Destoyer will do the same, the Armor can manipulate all forms of energy including magic, plus King Thor with his powers and abilities it's overkill, King Thor can BFR, freeze time, go back in time and prevent DD creation, physical beat him down, etc the Armor has options as where DD doesn't beating on Destroyer isn't doing nothing to it. HP DD is not even powerful enough too Destroy the armor let alone damage it. Thor can encase DD in vortex barrier and call it a day, or call down the purist of lighting strike and kill DD, Anti Force, God blast, Thermo Blast which all of these will be increase by the Odin Force.
It's Spite, Destroyer win 10/10.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, had MM's weaknesses? Something does not add up.
I edited my post. I said
Yes you are right! It was MM but he was wearing the real gem and using Bloodwynde's powers.MM was being mind controlled and forced to become Bloodwynde.Ice the character is also magic based
Originally posted by h1a8
I edited my post. I saidMM was being mind controlled and forced to become Bloodwynde.
I know, I added my reply after I had seen your edit.
Think Darkone summed my next argument up succintly. Bit of a tangent as to MM/Bloodwynd, but the point would still stand. Even if MM channelled the full power of them gem at 100% efficiency (doubtful as he was mindcontrolled, and we never take mindcontrolled characters at optimum, plus there's the fact he was still weak to fire, so not 100% fully accepting of the Bloodwynd persona, as we have learnt that the flame weakness is psych-based), Bloodwynd or Ice is still nowhere near capable of matching King Thor in the Destroyer.
Originally posted by the DarkoneHuh? When did a blast kill HP DD?
He is resistant to energy blast that kills him and then adapts to it, Bloodwyn is nowhere near Destroyer magic based powers and cosmic, Destroyer was created to fight Celestial and was granted fraction of power by the Sky Fathers and the Odin Force.Imperiax disintegrated him, Aegis Armor disintegrated him, Destoyer will do the same, the Armor can manipulate all forms of energy including magic, plus King Thor with his powers and abilities it's overkill, King Thor can BFR, freeze time, go back in time and prevent DD creation, physical beat him down, etc the Armor has options as where DD doesn't beating on Destroyer isn't doing nothing to it. HP DD is not even powerful enough too Destroy the armor let alone damage it. Thor can encase DD in vortex barrier and call it a day, or call down the purist of lighting strike and kill DD, Anti Force, God blast, Thermo Blast which all of these will be increase by the Odin Force.
It's Spite, Destroyer win 10/10.
Imperiex>>>>>Destroyer by far. I don't recall Aegis Armor disintegrating HP DD. When did this happen?
This fight isn't King Thor but rather Destroyer being animated by King Thor. King Thor's body (where the OF lies) isn't in the battle.
So you think DD can't damage the armor? There is no proof that the armor is many times more durable than Superman. Sure the armor is more durable than Superman but not shown to be too far ahead. Not if we go by feats. DD penetrates Superman like he is made of nothing. Thus DD can penetrate something several times more durable than Superman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know, I added my reply after I had seen your edit.Think Darkone summed my next argument up succintly. Bit of a tangent as to MM/Bloodwynd, but the point would still stand. Even if MM channelled the full power of them gem at 100% efficiency (doubtful as he was mindcontrolled, and we never take mindcontrolled characters at optimum, plus there's the fact he was still weak to fire, so not 100% fully accepting of the Bloodwynd persona, as we have learnt that the flame weakness is psych-based), Bloodwynd or Ice is still nowhere near capable of matching King Thor in the Destroyer.
I know. My point is showing that DD showed no magical weakness. So we shouldn't assume he has one. Thus the part of the blast that will harm him is the power of it's intensity and not the source it's from.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That was a different DD. One who was much weaker. Even weaker than DOS DD.
True, he showed no weakness. But when the Radiant met him for the first time, he killed him. Subsequently, he got ripped apart.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know, I added my reply after I had seen your edit.Think Darkone summed my next argument up succintly. Bit of a tangent as to MM/Bloodwynd, but the point would still stand. Even if MM channelled the full power of them gem at 100% efficiency (doubtful as he was mindcontrolled, and we never take mindcontrolled characters at optimum, plus there's the fact he was still weak to fire, so not 100% fully accepting of the Bloodwynd persona, as we have learnt that the flame weakness is psych-based), Bloodwynd or Ice is still nowhere near capable of matching King Thor in the Destroyer.
Bloodwynd couldn't shine King Thor boots period, after the end of reign King Thor was at least his father equal, and you throw him into the armor it's overkill, that's too much power to handle regardless it's HP DD, HP DD like I said is no where near the power of the armor or King Thor that killed Destroyer w/Desak in it, literally one shot it.
Your not beating a sky father in brute strength alone, that's like saying it HP DD can battled PC Validus in a brawl, that crap ain't happening in this life time, hell King Thor could just devolve DD like Darkseid did to PC Validus.
Originally posted by h1a8
That was a different DD. One who was much weaker. Even weaker than DOS DD.
It's possible that the Radiant is at least trans in power. The New Gods (Highfather which is skyfather) created it. Also HP DD don't have to wait until he dies to evolve. He can evolve during the battle. So even if a blast was harming him then he could evolve resistance to it while healing instantly.
New Gods never created the Radiant. It was Catalon (sp?), some random no name planet we never saw again.
Edit: Catalan.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
New Gods never created the Radiant. It was Catalon (sp?), some random no name planet we never saw again.
Correct. Why did I think it was the new gods? Maybe I'm confusing New Earth with New Gods. Anyway it was very powerful though. It did what the entire GL corps couldn't do. Wasn't it composed of an entire group of powerful beings though?
Originally posted by the Darkone
Bloodwynd couldn't shine King Thor boots period, after the end of reign King Thor was at least his father equal, and you throw him into the armor it's overkill, that's too much power to handle regardless it's HP DD, HP DD like I said is no where near the power of the armor or King Thor that killed Destroyer w/Desak in it, literally one shot it.Your not beating a sky father in brute strength alone, that's like saying it HP DD can battled PC Validus in a brawl, that crap ain't happening in this life time, hell King Thor could just devolve DD like Darkseid did to PC Validus.
This fight isn't King Thor but rather Destroyer being animated by King Thor. King Thor's body (where the OF lies) isn't in the battle.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yup. It was powerful indeed. For one being to do something thousands of GL couldn't do. And that was a much weaker DD at that.
It was the royal family, IIRC, who poured their essence into one being, filling him to completion. This being then blasted Doomsday with the same essence, from multiple angles, which killed him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85DD never had the ability to evolve on the fly until after his death against Superman. He had to die and come back with immunity.
IIRC, the reason why they beat him, was because it was a new type of energy that Doomsday had never seen before.And when the thousands of GLs tried attacking Doomsday, he had already been immunised against GL energy, because he had already taken one GL on and won. Like a vaccination.