Originally posted by h1a8
LMAO. So you resort to purposely lying so that others can be on your side? That's pathetic. Thor doesn't have teleportation ability. Mjolnir has it.
The Destroyer isn't able to use Mjolnir's abilties, yet Thor while in the armor can, which proves that the Destroyer doesn't remove a person's abilities.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAlmost since we still go by character. KT might not employ his funkiness right away. Then again he might. But yes it would be a stomp but not as far as spite (unless CIS off for Thor).
Which is why King Thor's funky options + the Destroyer would be spite, then, right?
Hell I agreed that Destroyer with Mjolnir's abilities will beat DD. And that's without King Thor's powers added.
So I'm not arguing those things Jake. Not at all. I'll I'm trying to debate is
Destroyer (only controlled by KT) vs. HP DD.
Originally posted by Silent Masterprove that Destroyer can't use Mjolnir's abilities, especially when it has been shown that a non Thor based Destroyer can pick up the hammer.
The Destroyer isn't able to use Mjolnir's abilties, yet Thor while in the armor can, which proves that the Destroyer doesn't remove a person's abilities.
Originally posted by h1a8
prove that Destroyer can't use Mjolnir's abilities, especially when it has been shown that a non Thor based Destroyer can pick up the hammer.
Not going to work, you already tried arguing that the Destroyer could use Mjolnir's powers and when I asked for proof...you conceded.
If you're going back to your old stance, I'll just renew my demand for proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
Almost since we still go by character. KT might not employ his funkiness right away. Then again he might. But yes it would be a stomp but not as far as spite (unless CIS off for Thor).Hell I agreed that Destroyer with Mjolnir's abilities will beat DD. And that's without King Thor's powers added.
So I'm not arguing those things Jake. Not at all. I'll I'm trying to debate is
Destroyer (only controlled by KT) vs. HP DD.
King Thor is certainly less patient when it comes to threats to his person and less forgiving than normal Thor. He was willing to kill his closest friends, after all.
Destroyer with King Thor's soul animating it gives the Destroyer access to the Odin Force as the OF is bonded to the soul of whoever is in command of it. Ergo, he can summon Mjolnir to him if he wishes and invoke the other powers of the Odin Force if he wishes.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThe OF is not bound to the soul. The power lies in the body. As evidence we see that power is being emitted from Odin's body after Mjolnir leaves Thor's hands. This means the power is coming from Odin's body and not Destroyer's body.
King Thor is certainly less patient when it comes to threats to his person and less forgiving than normal Thor. He was willing to kill his closest friends, after all.Destroyer with King Thor's soul animating it gives the Destroyer access to the Odin Force as the OF is bonded to the soul of whoever is in command of it. Ergo, he can summon Mjolnir to him if he wishes and invoke the other powers of the Odin Force if he wishes.
Originally posted by h1a8
The OF is not bound to the soul. The power lies in the body. As evidence we see that power is being emitted from Odin's body after Mjolnir leaves Thor's hands. This means the power is coming from Odin's body and not Destroyer's body.
No, you're wrong.
The fact that the Odin Force manifested itself as a spirit multiple times is evidence enough that it transcends the physical.
Odin Force has always been beyond the realm of the physical. Can't really be disputed.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhat I argued has no bearing on what's been argued now. You can twist all you want but you said that Destroyer isn't able to use Destroyer's abilities with no proof. I provided evidence that Destroyer can use Mjolnir's abilities actually.
Not going to work, you already tried arguing that the Destroyer could use Mjolnir's powers and when I asked for proof...you conceded.If you're going back to your old stance, I'll just renew my demand for proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
What I argued has no bearing on what's been argued now. You can twist all you want but you said that Destroyer isn't able to use Destroyer's abilities with no proof. I provided evidence that Destroyer can use Mjolnir's abilities actually.
The debate was in regards to the Destroyer's ability to use Mjolnir's powers without being animated by someone worthy, you conceded.
If you want to restart the debate, then by all means start providing evidence.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, you're wrong.The fact that the Odin Force manifested itself as a spirit multiple times is evidence enough that it transcends the physical.
Odin Force has always been beyond the realm of the physical. Can't really be disputed.
Of course living energy looks like a spirit. But that doesn't mean it's a spirit (or all spirit). I already showed the power coming from Odin's body as proof. You have to prove that the soul which animates AUTOMATICALLY contains the power which lies in the body. Show instances where Destroyer can use the animator's power at will.
The rest of what you said is irrelevant to the discussion whether it can be disputed or not. Energy aint matter either.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The debate was in regards to the Destroyer's ability to use Mjolnir's powers without being animated by someone worthy, you conceded.If you want to restart the debate, then by all means start providing evidence.
I conceded that we don't know. I never conceded to your claim. Yes No IDK
I chose the latter. To choose yes or no requires proof right? No proof is required for we don't know.
Cliffs:
H1 argues that Destroyer equipped with Mjolnir would shitstomp DD, and implies that only a drooling imbecile would argue otherwise.
Originally posted by h1a8
Giving Destroyer Mjolnir causes DD to lose in spite IMO and no one would argue the thread at all. It should be closed right away as HP DD has no chance.
I'm trying to be honest as I can and let the chips fall where they may.
H1 argues otherwise:
Originally posted by h1a8
and Thor throws away the hammer and says "What need have I for a mere hammer...when the energies within my frame are powerful enough to divide even worlds in twain?!" This implies that Thor's own power (Mjolnir) is nothing compared to the Destroyer's power. So even adding Thor's power is a downgrade to this fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Destroyer's abilities>>>>>>>Mjolnir's abilities as Thor shown to throw the hammer away. Using Mjolnir can only make the Destroyer weaker offensively and against brute force.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also using a weaker attack is a downgrade than using a much stronger attack. If two character's were fighting and one purposely used weaker attacks then they automatically lower their chances of winning.In summary, extra (yet weaker) powers is worst than less (but stronger) powers if you decide to use weaker powers at any time. This is common sense.
Originally posted by Ash_J_Williams
Cliffs:H1 argues that Destroyer equipped with Mjolnir would shitstomp DD, and implies that only a drooling imbecile would argue otherwise.
H1 argues otherwise:
Several things.
1. I was proving what Thor thought and how he would fight with it in character.
It's funny how you didn't quote my very first post of the thread. Look on the first page of the thread and you will see me say that "Minus bfr and Mjolnir I agree".
2. I was arguing whether Mjolnir makes Destroyer more powerful or not (IN GENERAL and not in this case). The answer is no against beings that can't be bfred and yes against beings who can be bfr but are resistant to Destroyer's own power. In my mind, bfr options doesn't automatically make someone more powerful.
Nice try though.