Originally posted by "Id"
DCnU Atom? He losses. In his recent fight with firestorm, he abosrbed too much of his blasts, and imploded on a head on collision.
he and Firestorm was going full power at each other..we don't even know how powerful the resulting blast is..and Atom absorb most of it to save Firestorm..and he didn't even die..he got send to the future..
Originally posted by Slaanesha). They are not equally powerful. That is a naive concept. And actual comic portrayals show Superman as the blatant more powerful one.
just because u think Supes is more powerful doesn't makes it true..some people think Surfer is more powerful..doesn't really makes it true either..they are probably equally powerful and surfer get the win cuz well he can do anything..
Originally posted by SlaaneshWhat I did was point an analogy with your situation: you can say [and have said] that he searched every possible location on the planet by physically looking[an asinine concept, for one who has cosmic senses]. I said that he hid behind a mountain and then lied to Strange about searching. Both of them are idiotic stances, and that was the point.
jthen what the hell did he do??just disappear and hid somewhere and do nothing??so when people like Flash disappear and return to tell he find nothing it mean he didn't do shit??
Surfer isn't Flash. They don't have the same abilities. Just because Flash's only option would be to run to every location, doesn't mean that would be Surfer's.
Originally posted by SlaaneshI never said he doesn't have TP. I said he doesn't have it in a signfificant amount for it to matter in this fight. I already quoted -myself- on this. What I'm asking you to do is prove that it's actually relevant. Him projecting his thoughts through telepathy or otherwise, isn't relevant as far as offensive telepathy is concerned in this thread. Not when the telepathy in question is J'onn's.
u said Surfer doesn't have speed or TP..so i gave an example of him using planetary level TP..i don't know what he can really do with it..i just said it to prove he does have TP..
Originally posted by SlaaneshI'll do this again, as I seem to be very patient today. Provide scans for your claims. And we'll go from there.
well..he can control time which means he can hang with Supes speed..that is what relevant..
Originally posted by SlaaneshIt is quite apparent that you have major problems keeping track of your own thoughts, I'll agree with that.
i'm not sure why i used Flash..i think it's because i compare CA with Flash or something like that..
Originally posted by dmillsSurfer doesn't need them because he is taken for granted, for whatever reason.
Thor has 4 dudes that'll go to bat, Supes has 3-4 dudes that'll go to bat. But Surfer really doesn't have that.
Originally posted by "Id"Shh.
DCnU Atom? He losses. In his recent fight with firestorm, he abosrbed too much of his blasts, and imploded on a head on collision.
To be perfectly frank, that's Dan Jurgens. He considers skyfather to be planetary level at their best, and has consistently had Superman knocked out or worried by nukes. The day he writes high-end feats that aren't fight related [as in, relative performances, not collateral damage], won't come.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, its not like these so called high heralds have low showings comparable to that. For example surfer got nearly killed by deflecting a spacecraftIn the next issue he was fighting red shift inside a black hole. Go figure.
One would also notice that Thor bowed out of deflecting said spaceship and the entire FF would be keeled if they even tried. It's sad that even when Surfey fails, Goldilocks fails harder. 😛
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To be fair, he DID simply just get KOd by something that would have destroyed the entire Northeast coast. Certainly lower showings out there than that.
Originally posted by "Id"
About Nuke level. The Captain wondered if a Nuke went off. And Nate stated Firestorm was tossing City leveling blast.
that Captain is a human..what does he know..
and that city levelling blast..Capt tank it without even flinching..so still no prove of how strong that explosion was..
Originally posted by Philosophía
a). They are not equally powerful. That is a naive concept. And actual comic portrayals show Superman as the blatant more powerful one.
b). Surfer can't do anything. And he wouldn't get a majority.What I did was point an analogy with your situation: you can say [and have said] that he searched every possible location on the planet by physically looking[an asinine concept, for one who has cosmic senses]. I said that he hid behind a mountain and then lied to Strange about searching. Both of them are idiotic stances, and that was the point.
Surfer isn't Flash. They don't have the same abilities. Just because Flash's only option would be to run to every location, doesn't mean that would be Surfer's.
I never said he doesn't have TP. I said he doesn't have it in a signfificant amount for it to matter in this fight. I already quoted -myself- on this. What I'm asking you to do is prove that it's actually relevant. Him projecting his thoughts through telepathy or otherwise, isn't relevant as far as offensive telepathy is concerned in this thread. Not when the telepathy in question is J'onn's.
I'll do this again, as I seem to be very patient today. Provide scans for your claims. And we'll go from there.
It is quite apparent that you have major problems keeping track of your own thoughts, I'll agree with that.
i don't think so..Surfer feat can match him..
no..yours is an idiotic sentence..mine was just fine..it's normal for people to disappear and return when they use speed..that's logical..yours is just stupid..
planarity level TP isn't insignificant..if J'onn TP is that great..why did u give Supes the win..why not J'onn..i've seen Supes being mind control before if i'm not mistaken..
don't have scan..read CA #3..he absorb the nuclear explosion and turn back time..he can even travel through time at will..
Realistically though, Superman and Surfer do not win in a scenario like this.
Everybody from their own universe knows them. They'll be like "Oh shit, we better team up to beat Onaga and then we'll go back to destroying our Deadly Alliance."
Hal, and Yellow Halvis are too glass. Nova's too big of a paper bag.
Martian Manhunter, Asgardian Thorhunter, and Strontian Gladhunter are pathetic.
I'd put my money on Atom since I see him beating the buttlips out of Emberwick.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
But people "believing" him to be "that powerful" would mean that thru evidence that they've been provided, they made the conscious interpretation that he is, indeed, that powerful rather than some form of preferential bias towards the character.Edit. Most of them anyway.
You could say that, but Surfer is also the "safe bet" when it comes to these kinds of matches.
He is capable of winning, so It doesn't really matter in the end.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Realistically though, Superman and Surfer do not win in a scenario like this.Everybody from their own universe knows them. They'll be like "Oh shit, we better team up to beat Onaga and then we'll go back to destroying our Deadly Alliance."
Hal, and Yellow Halvis are too glass. Nova's too big of a paper bag.
Martian Manhunter, Asgardian Thorhunter, and Strontian Gladhunter are pathetic.
I'd put my money on Atom since I see him beating the buttlips out of Emberwick.
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