Originally posted by JakeTheBankNope. That feat, like the others, wasn't out of the ordinary for Superman. It was only surprising because it was DCnU Superman, of which we'd mostly read 'year one' style of stories of.
And it's not like Superman fans don't splooge in their own underwear, right?Thor's strong as what the story intends or needs him to be. When facing against an "elite" strong man such as Hulk, his strength is either portrayed as being equal or at least comparable in some way. His power and energy output is what generally consist of his WTF level feats.
Not sure what's sad here considering that most people here agree that such a feat isn't happening for Thor based on what he's been doing for the past dozen years or so and if it or something similar did happen, it would be a wild and absurd feat, much like benching a planet for five days straight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do it based on peer by peer and usually by abilities and what's in character. To me just because Gladiator destroys a planet doresn't mean he punches Aquaman's head off.
Poor example, seeing as Aquaman has taken punches from heralds.
Also, if you feel the need to lie, please don't waste your time trying to do it to me.
Originally posted by Juntai
Nope. That feat, like the others, wasn't out of the ordinary for Superman. It was only surprising because it was DCnU Superman, of which we'd mostly read 'year one' style of stories of.
"Nope" what? That Superman fans don't splooge on themselves when he has great feats? Or that feat isn't wild and absurd?
I can't honestly see how you don't think that feat isn't a wild and absurd high end Superman feat. Pre-Flashpoint Superman didn't do anything close to that on his own and on a consistent basis, needed helped for a good deal of his planetary moving/pushing/etc. feats.
Unless, of course, you're counting unquantifiable feats.
Originally posted by -Pr-So Aquaman can tank punches from dc tiers who can destroy planets so why can't we use Thor's peer by peer comparisons to the Hulk as proof. How is it any different ? You're using peer by peer comparisons for the same exact thing.
Poor example, seeing as Aquaman has taken punches from heralds.Also, if you feel the need to lie, please don't waste your time trying to do it to me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So Aquaman can tank punches from dc tiers who can destroy planets so why can't we use Thor's peer by peer comparisons to the Hulk as proof. How is it any different ? You're using peer by peer comparisons for the same exact thing.
I never said it was different, or that you couldn't use it.
Originally posted by -Pr-Well that's why the feat argument to me is silly. Peer by peer comparisons is the way I roll. Feats aren't totally ignored but I don't need to see Thor wreck a planet with his hands to know he can hang with a planet wrecker since he's done so many times against the Hulk and Gladiator.
I never said it was different, or that you couldn't use it.
Originally posted by carver9You two are like family. I can tell he loves you very much.
I think I debate against Pr too much. I knew what his reply was going to be to Quan before I even read it. WTF.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBefore the reboot, Superman both told us he could bench press the planet [which I posted in the thread], but moved it himself, with GL making a contraption to make it possible. And tons of of other feats in that realm[ holding a black hole, etc]. He also moved/shifted the moon on -several- different occasions.
"Nope" what? That Superman fans don't splooge on themselves when he has great feats? Or that feat isn't wild and absurd?I can't honestly see how you don't think that feat isn't a wild and absurd high end Superman feat. Pre-Flashpoint Superman didn't do anything close to that on his own and on a consistent basis, needed helped for a good deal of his planetary moving/pushing/etc. feats.
It's not a ridiculous outlier in Superman's history.
It was only 'wild' because we hadn't seen that from DCnU Supes -yet-.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well that's why the feat argument to me is silly. Peer by peer comparisons is the way I roll. Feats aren't totally ignored but I don't need to see Thor wreck a planet with his hands to know he can hang with a planet wrecker since he's done so many times against the Hulk and Gladiator. You two are like family. I can tell he loves you very much.
OMG.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well that's why the feat argument to me is silly. Peer by peer comparisons is the way I roll. Feats aren't totally ignored but I don't need to see Thor wreck a planet with his hands to know he can hang with a planet wrecker since he's done so many times against the Hulk and Gladiator. You two are like family. I can tell he loves you very much.
The entire reason we use feats is to handle cross-company debates. They have as much validity as peer to peer; to ignore them just seems like cherry picking, tbh.
Originally posted by Juntai
Before the reboot, Superman both told us he could bench press the planet [which I posted in the thread], but moved it himself, with GL making a contraption to make it possible. And tons of of other feats in that realm[ holding a black hole, etc]. He also moved/shifted the moon on -several- different occasions.It's not a ridiculous outlier in Superman's history.
It was only 'wild' because we hadn't seen that from DCnU Supes -yet-.
Moving a planetary object =/= doing so for five days straight while deprived of solar energy and replying "Is that it?"
Yeah, that feat is an absurd physical strength/durability/stamina feat for Superman, pre-Flashpoint or no.
Originally posted by -Pr-Well not entirely but I don't nor have I ever cared about these feats as true indicators. If Thor can tank a punch by Hulk based on his feats, history that common sense tells me he is tanking a punch from Black Adam or Superman.
The entire reason we use feats is to handle cross-company debates. They have as much validity as peer to peer; to ignore them just seems like cherry picking, tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well not entirely but I don't nor have I ever cared about these feats as true indicators. If Thor can tank a punch by Hulk based on his feats, history that common sense tells me he is tanking a punch from Black Adam or Superman.
and what if, for a time, hulk and thor's feats had made them look less impressive than Adam, or Superman, who was riding high on a series of good feats?
That's where feats come in.
Originally posted by Juntai
Before the reboot, Superman both told us he could bench press the planet [which I posted in the thread], but moved it himself, with GL making a contraption to make it possible. And tons of of other feats in that realm[ holding a black hole, etc]. He also moved/shifted the moon on -several- different occasions.It's not a ridiculous outlier in Superman's history.
It was only 'wild' because we hadn't seen that from DCnU Supes -yet-.
This isn't close to true. People say they can do things all the time.. that is worth exactly diddly squat until he does it. Did you forget that he didn't just move earth himself? Also, it wasn a suprise just because it was DCnu doing it, but it was because superman never has moved the earth on his own or bench pressed the earth for 5 days. You act like he did this kind of feat all the time... that just isn't true. If so, please post the feats of superman that are the equivelant of this. Shit, superman has been shown to struggle lifting a skyscraper of all thigns... not to mention countless struggles with far less weight throughout his history. That is the reason why it was so weird to see him do it.. ya know.. cause he never has.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This isn't close to true. People say they can do things all the time.. that is worth exactly diddly squat until he does it. Did you forget that he didn't just move earth himself? Also, it wasn a suprise just because it was DCnu doing it, but it was because superman never has moved the earth on his own or bench pressed the earth for 5 days. You act like he did this kind of feat all the time... that just isn't true. If so, please post the feats of superman that are the equivelant of this. Shit, superman has been shown to struggle lifting a skyscraper of all thigns... not to mention countless struggles with far less weight throughout his history. That is the reason why it was so weird to see him do it.. ya know.. cause he never has.
I'd re-read his post if I were you, tbh.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIt was written well within the realm of his power pre-Flashpoint, based on the feats he did perform. It wasn't like he was out of power after moving Earth, or the moon, or any of the dozens of other feats of this caliber. He flat out said he could bench press the planet. He just hadn't been in a position to do it for 5 straight days.
Moving a planetary object =/= doing so for five days straight while deprived of solar energy and replying "Is that it?"Yeah, that feat is an absurd physical strength/durability/stamina feat for Superman, pre-Flashpoint or no.
Doesn't make it wild and absurd.
Before the reboot superman was supposed to be more powerful. So why would him saying something have any barring on the current version of superman? Him saying he could.. and never doing it under that version is the point. Also, how does moving smaller objects (in a more powerful version of superman) have any significance on moving bigger objects when you're suppose to be weaker?