How close could thor come to bench pressing the earth once?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor does have some high end strength feats (none on par with Superman's best). Stalemating Hulk in a contest of strength is not one of them. We don't know how mad the Hulk was when that happened. Plus it happened DECADES AGO. Does anyone here seriously think that Thor could stalemate the Hulk in a test of strength today? I'd wager that Hulk could overpower Thor's entire body with one arm, with ease.

You can cherry pick the 3-8 really impressive strength feats Thor has over his 50 years (yes, FIFTY YEARS) of history, but as someone stated earlier, those would be average strength feats from Superman on a yearly basis. You'd also have to forget the much longer list of times we've seen the limits of Thor's strength displayed.

When was the last time we can say Thor displayed planet moving power? How long ago was that? The Thor of today is a mountain mover at best, in terms of strength.

Sad to say but I agree with this. I disagree with Juntai though.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor does have some high end strength feats (none on par with Superman's best). Stalemating Hulk in a contest of strength is not one of them. We don't know how mad the Hulk was when that happened. Plus it happened DECADES AGO. Does anyone here seriously think that Thor could stalemate the Hulk in a test of strength today? I'd wager that Hulk could overpower Thor's entire body with one arm, with ease.

You can cherry pick the 3-8 really impressive strength feats Thor has over his 50 years (yes, FIFTY YEARS) of history, but as someone stated earlier, those would be average strength feats from Superman on a yearly basis. You'd also have to forget the much longer list of times we've seen the limits of Thor's strength displayed.

When was the last time we can say Thor displayed planet moving power? How long ago was that? The Thor of today is a mountain mover at best, in terms of strength.

Originally posted by Juntai

The most I saw, unless I missed it, was that half the planet one.

My net was off for a couple days and I just got back, so I'm catching up.

At least with Superman we KNOW it was the weight of the Earth.

So if I am understanding correctly whether it's in continuity or not doesn't matter just have you done it in the past ten years but all pre crisis feats count ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if I am understanding correctly whether it's in continuity or not doesn't matter just have you done it in the past ten years but all pre crisis feats count ?

The thread itself is still about lifting the weight of a planet, which hasn't been shown yet, even going back 20, 30, 40 years, which wouldn't be accurate depictions of the current character either way.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, a few of us went off on tangent conversations about strength and consistency and then people got upset and started whining.

The thread itself is still about lifting the weight of a planet, which hasn't been shown yet, even going back 20, 30, 40 years, which wouldn't be accurate depictions of the current character either way.

Thor still knocked an amped Hulk off the planet. Thor still damaged Chaos King but that doesn't suddenly make him >>>>>>>>>> than he's always been. All of these characters vary and their highest showings don't determine anything really. Thor still has many highs in today's times like any character.

Thor's dial goes to 12. He just doesn't turn to it is often as others.

Let's be honest, Thor has shown that he can literally call upon unlimited power and strength to do whatever he has decided to do. All of his highest-end feats are insane and bleed into almost every ability that exists in the comic world, Magic, Energy, Strength, Time, etc.

And, there is no denying that, from time to time, he has turned the dial up to 12. For better or for worse, it's just the way it is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's called high end feats. All characters have them. Most aren't consistently shown at these levels anyway. Thor's strength is comparable to Gladiator who easily wrecked a planet with his hands. That doesn't mean he destroys Thor with his hands when he connects. These feats while impressive to fans don't seem to matter when they hang out with their peers.

Thor still knocked an amped Hulk off the planet. Thor still damaged Chaos King but that doesn't suddenly make him >>>>>>>>>> than he's always been. All of these characters vary and their highest showings don't determine anything really. Thor still has many highs in today's times like any character.

So do you have a scan of Thor lifting a planet or something to add to the discussion?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor's dial goes to 12. He just doesn't turn to it is often as others.

Let's be honest, Thor has shown that he can literally call upon unlimited power and strength to do whatever he has decided to do. All of his highest-end feats are insane and bleed into almost every ability that exists in the comic world, Magic, Energy, Strength, Time, etc.

And, there is no denying that, from time to time, he has turned the dial up to 12. For better or for worse, it's just the way it is.

And that's because it was specially made to go to 11.
Others only go up to 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY

Originally posted by Juntai
Thing is, these aren't 'high feats' for Superman, they're consistant. Year in, year out. Superman's high feats get into the logic defying and mythical. They're 'high' for guys like Thor, or Gladiator, like his planet smashing [when we dont even know what sized, again], because he's only done something like that once, 20 or 30 years ago. Superman is just written like that.

So do you have a scan of Thor lifting a planet or something to add to the discussion?

Originally posted by Juntai
Thing is, these aren't 'high feats' for Superman, they're consistant. Year in, year out. Superman's high feats get into the logic defying and mythical. They're 'high' for guys like Thor, or Gladiator, like his planet smashing [when we dont even know what sized, again], because he's only done something like that once, 20 or 30 years ago. Superman is just written like that.

So do you have a scan of Thor lifting a planet or something to add to the discussion?

Thor's high end feats defy logic and are mythical as well. Same can be said of the Hulk or any other elite top tier with a monthly book. Two Thor hammers affected every single plane of reality. The point is who cares. While it's mythical and mega impressive it doesn't prove much if anything.

Hulk's caught energy, Thor's absorbed something that could lay waste to the fifth of a universe, made a weakened Galactus(who has owned earth along with Thor in a far more weakened state in Galactus the devourer) fear for his life. Hulk ripped through something almost twice the size of earth while remaining conscious years ago. It was a much weaker Hulk to boot. The feat proves jack. I am consistent with how I view feats and how I view peer by peer comparisons.

I also know that Thor in blood and thunder doesn't somehow make Thor>>>>>>>Surfer despite owning his ass in that story. It's because that was high end Thor not omg Thor not holding back forget everything else you ever read. Thor also recently busted up Galactus' helmet despite Beta Ray Bill being unable to do so with his power alone. That's another recent high end feat. This is all the same that's been going on for years. Superman might receive a tad more love due to the reboot but at the end of the day his status won't change and his high end feats aren't the only thing that defines him or anyone else.

Not counting Superman....how DC top-tiers have planetary level feats?

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Yeah but supes isn't doing it ALL the time.
He will not consistently be doing stuff like the bench press feat.
I think that's why a lot of people don't like superman, one day he is fighting Grundy (and not utterly destroying him) then he is doing pretty well against imperiex prime . No consistency at all.

That is a pretty far stretch to say he did well all on his own against Imperiex Prime (who almost killed him 2x).

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Originally posted by kevdude
That is a pretty far stretch to say he did well all on his own against Imperiex Prime (who almost killed him 2x).

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I know, it was just an example that he can go from one to the othrr 😮

Originally posted by quanchi112
Smashing planets isn't that high end imo. To me it's typical of what an elite top tier can do. High end to me is the Surfer leaving his giver of power Galactus in awe due to his feat with the Crunch over Tenebrous and Aegis. That's an incredible feat.

Thor's high end feats defy logic and are mythical as well. Same can be said of the Hulk or any other elite top tier with a monthly book. Two Thor hammers affected every single plane of reality. The point is who cares. While it's mythical and mega impressive it doesn't prove much if anything.

Hulk's caught energy, Thor's absorbed something that could lay waste to the fifth of a universe, made a weakened Galactus(who has owned earth along with Thor in a far more weakened state in Galactus the devourer) fear for his life. Hulk ripped through something almost twice the size of earth while remaining conscious years ago. It was a much weaker Hulk to boot. The feat proves jack. I am consistent with how I view feats and how I view peer by peer comparisons.

I also know that Thor in blood and thunder doesn't somehow make Thor>>>>>>>Surfer despite owning his ass in that story. It's because that was high end Thor not omg Thor not holding back forget everything else you ever read. Thor also recently busted up Galactus' helmet despite Beta Ray Bill being unable to do so with his power alone. That's another recent high end feat. This is all the same that's been going on for years. Superman might receive a tad more love due to the reboot but at the end of the day his status won't change and his high end feats aren't the only thing that defines him or anyone else.

Originally posted by Juntai
While there is still going to be some fluctuation, you have to realize Superman is the measuring stick which heros and villains are compared to in DC.

As this guy said earlier in the thread;
[QUOTE=14128980]Originally posted by Magnon
[B]
But in principle there's nothing that prevents characters from different publishers to have vastly different power levels.

As such, for example, Superman being overpowered by someone physically takes an incredible amount of strength, given the idea of the type of feats of strength Superman performs year in and year out.

Now over at Marvel, Hulk is the measuring stick for strength and raw power.
The problem with this is that due to the nature of his powers,[prior to his current storylines] he always fluctuated incredibly, drastically, where holding part of a mountain is a major feat, to punching a moon into pieces probably wouldn't have been much of a problem, so using a performance against him in power would yield bad results because you don't know which version you were getting.

But as I said earlier in the thread;

Originally posted by Juntai
Hulk in the last couple of years is the only one to match Superman's consistency involving big time in and out of combat feats, and it took canonically the strongest version of the character to match those averages.

But this version wasn't much of a measuring stick for Marvel either, because to do this, he took their measuring stick, broke it in half like a baseball bat, and shoved the wide end of it up the rest of Marvel Earth's ass. [/B][/QUOTE]

Although Superman's status among his peers likely won't change much, if at all, his peers are measured by a different manner of strength and power.

The idea that going back 50 years of Thor comics, the only thing produced [and an ancient feat at that] suggesting Thor is physically even a fraction of Superman, was the half a planet one...It speaks volumes of the bracket difference in sheer strength between them.

And Superman does these types of things all the time.
Year in, year out.

These would be massively 'high feats' that Thor fans would absolutely shit their pants over. For decades.

But they're just average for Superman.

With another few years under his belt, nuSupes' feats of strength, speed, etc, will match Thor's best in 50-60 worth years of comics. As has been the trend for many years.

Supes and anyone that's physically a stronger, or near his level, are in a different bracket of strength than Thor.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
I know, it was just an example that he can go from one to the othrr 😮

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's called high end feats. All characters have them. Most aren't consistently shown at these levels anyway. Thor's strength is comparable to Gladiator who easily wrecked a planet with his hands. That doesn't mean he destroys Thor with his hands when he connects. These feats while impressive to fans don't seem to matter when they hang out with their peers.

Thor still knocked an amped Hulk off the planet. Thor still damaged Chaos King but that doesn't suddenly make him >>>>>>>>>> than he's always been. All of these characters vary and their highest showings don't determine anything really. Thor still has many highs in today's times like any character.

Damaging the chaos king was a strength feat how exactly? And the planet gladiator punched out looked like it was the size of an asteroid.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Damaging the chaos king was a strength feat how exactly? And the planet gladiator punched out looked like it was the size of an asteroid.

Originally posted by Juntai
As such, for example, Superman being overpowered by someone physically takes an incredible amount of strength, given the idea of the type of feats of strength Superman performs year in and year out.

Now over at Marvel, Hulk is the measuring stick for strength and raw power.
The problem with this is that due to the nature of his powers,[prior to his current storylines] he always fluctuated incredibly, drastically, where holding part of a mountain is a major feat, to punching a moon into pieces probably wouldn't have been much of a problem, so using a performance against him in power would yield bad results because you don't know which version you were getting.

But as I said earlier in the thread;

But this version wasn't much of a measuring stick for Marvel either, because to do this, he took their measuring stick, broke it in half like a baseball bat, and shoved the wide end of it up the rest of Marvel Earth's ass.

Although Superman's status among his peers likely won't change much, if at all, his peers are measured by a different manner of strength and power.

The idea that going back 50 years of Thor comics, the only thing produced [and an ancient feat at that] suggesting Thor is physically even a fraction of Superman, was the half a planet one...It speaks volumes of the bracket difference in sheer strength between them.

And Superman does these types of things all the time.
Year in, year out.

These would be massively 'high feats' that Thor fans would absolutely shit their pants over. For decades.

But they're just average for Superman.

With another few years under his belt, nuSupes' feats of strength, speed, etc, will match Thor's best in 50-60 worth years of comics. As has been the trend for many years.

Supes and anyone that's physically a stronger, or near his level, are in a different bracket of strength than Thor. [/B][/QUOTE] You're making exceptions and picking and choosing what counts and what doesn't. High end feats aren't the norm they are high end. You have to look at the bigger picture. I never once said Thor was stronger than Superman here. Thor fans wouldn't shit their pants over anything because his high end feats are superior when it comes to power. Like I said Thor isn't as strong as Superman nor did anyone else to my knowledge make the case.

What you are doing is making exceptions. If something is canon it counts. Every time a new writer takes the helm characters vary in terms of power and strength usually. So to say canon feats don't somehow count because you don't want them to is picking and choosing. No one is saying these high end feats are the norm but the same can be said for Superman. He won't operate at these levels and it won't matter next time Captain Marvel punches him in the head. Superman is stronger but on another level, nah.

Hulk's the poster boy for strength and Thor's done fine against him. Is Hulk stronger; definitely but he isn't in another tier altogether.

Some planets are the size of asteroids. The planet Glads punched out had moons, but Pluto is tiny and it has 5 moons. So we have no idea the size of the object Gladiator destroyed.

Originally posted by quanchi112

You're making exceptions and picking and choosing what counts and what doesn't. High end feats aren't the norm they are high end. You have to look at the bigger picture. I never once said Thor was stronger than Superman here. Thor fans wouldn't shit their pants over anything because his high end feats are superior when it comes to power. Like I said Thor isn't as strong as Superman nor did anyone else to my knowledge make the case.

What you are doing is making exceptions. If something is canon it counts. Every time a new writer takes the helm characters vary in terms of power and strength usually. So to say canon feats don't somehow count because you don't want them to is picking and choosing. No one is saying these high end feats are the norm but the same can be said for Superman. He won't operate at these levels and it won't matter next time Captain Marvel punches him in the head. Superman is stronger but on another level, nah.

Hulk's the poster boy for strength and Thor's done fine against him. Is Hulk stronger; definitely but he isn't in another tier altogether.

Writing 'nuh uh', isn't a legitimate counter.

Also; I haven't dismissed any feat, save the original Serpent one, because as Phil pointed out, the fact it was ethereal was at play, when he tried to lift it with both of them materially, he could only get it's paw off the floor [something that occurred on two occasions.] That was the max of his strength.

The argument is in consistency. Thor lifting half a planet of weight 20+ years ago, that's a 'high feat', Gladiator throwing a tantrum on an unidentified planet, that's a 'high feet', in terms of strength.

These type of feats still have Thor and Glad fans enamored 20-30-50 years later. They're examples ultimate measure of strength in their entire careers.

But they'd be just another day in the office for Superman.

Their 50 year maxes, would hardly even be just average for him.

It's two different measuring sticks.