Originally posted by PhilosophíaIt doesn't say different it says in the void space and time have no natural boundaries.
I just showed a scan where it says time and space are different there:That would be enough in itself to nullify this feat.
But then, we also have the fact that the Serpent was fished with a regular sized bull [lol] and a rope [all this while he is still blatantly still holding Earth in his grip]
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_15.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_16.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_17.jpgAnd then fighting Thor while, again, nowhere near Earth-sized:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_18.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_19.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_20.jpg..so we have its actual relative size to Thor, a bull, a boat etc. [and Tyr/Loki, Odin etc. - more on that later on, keep reading]
The Serpent wasn't literally crushing the planet in his coil, the same way he wasn't literally circling the Earth in normal/space time. He wasn't squeezing Earth in the literal sense, as you or I would squeeze a grape. He was encircling it in the Void (where the constricts of normal space/time don't apply) and catastrophes started taking place around the world, as he was attacking this plane of existence from there [as Odin remarks]
He wasn't a 'physical presence' in that sense.
That's why he was 'etheral':
[b]1. Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.
2. Highly refined; delicate. See Synonyms at airy.
3.
a. Of the celestial spheres; heavenly.
b. Not of this world; spiritual.
4. Chemistry Of or relating to ether.And that's why Thor had to leave the Earth space/time/sphere, and go confront the Serpent in the Void:
In fact, here is yet another scene, from the same comic, that takes the concept of the Serpent being Earth-sized home, beats it, ties it to the radiator and leaves it there to die: Tyr and Loki use the Serpent to travel to Earth, travelling along its tail which is basically bridge-sized and then exit through a portal that is basically the Serpent's mouth manifested in Earth's realm [remember, as all of this is happening, the Serpent is still supposedly, erm, Earth-sized]
The size depicted here is [well, what do you know ?!] in line with every other portrayal of the serpent in this issue - be it when the villains first face it, be it when Thor fishes it [and it encircles the Earth from the non-normal space/time Void], be it when Thor fights it, and be it when Thor ties it to Yggdrasil.
Argue against? I'm sorry, you seem to be under the impression that we're arguing "Thor vs Superman" and posting feats of some kind. That you're supposed to come up with excuses for arguments, and I'm supposed to show why each of them are bullshit.
No, what [I'm] doing here is simply pointing out blatant facts from the story, that have been mis-spread around for years now. There's nothing to 'debate' here.
I'll upload the whole issue, if it's not against the rules, and let anybody read it. It doesn't even take average intelligence - the events I've presented are clear as day, as long as you read it for yourself, and don't have Thor fans shoving up their cropped scans for years on end. [/B]
That does not necessarily equate to them being different nor them different in the way you are describing.
In the scans you provided yourself it is called the sea of darkness as well. The void and the SoD are things used to describe normal space.
I posted a scan of Superman trying to showcase the point that planetary to individual size depictions haven't always been a strong point of comics.
I used Superman mostly because as a Superman fan yourself I though the point would come across better.
People have traveled to Asgard before in normal space just fine, so before I would take your 'blatant facts' as actual facts I would actually want to hear it stated somewhere that this 'VOID' you're speaking of actually is what you are describing it as.
So far all you've really got is this notion that you've taken out of a Superman/Orion comic and are applying it to the Thor comic, and stating they have to be the same type of scenario and your only real scan that states the Void acts any differently or is another entity outside of normal space is a scan stating that space and time have no natural boundaries there. Which what does that even mean?
And why does it have to mean what you think it means? The only thing I can come up with is that you don't feel Thor could do said feat as previously viewed therefore you are stating it has to be that way.
Yeah about the infinite book debate, I mean that feat has been debated ad infinitium on this site, and I've wasted far too much of my life debating it. I'll leave it to another Superman fan to discuss that one. From what I've seen, i'm convinced it was infinite weight. But that's only one of Supe's infinite weight lifting feats anyway.
Lifting the book with infinite weight:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/104916/2163874-SupermanBeyond01Page022.jpg
Some other good strength feats from Pre Reboot Superman:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95903/1761747-jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95903/1762276-blackholejq6_super.jpg
Here he is moving the Earth back in orbit when the Starbreaker is moving it towards the Sun:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95903/1762278-movingtk1_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/95903/1762279-satsoontb5_super.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are we trying to get superman's average by battle feats or lifting feats? Those are two different kind of things. Trust me thor would get beaten in that regard too. Also I forgot thisSuperman does these kinds of feats regularly, thor does some things vastly inferior to those feats in maybe 20 years or more. I know that chefs thor fans and marvel fans in general but that's the the way it is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's only shared in that half of infinity is still infinity. So any sharing is really inconsequential.Why would it make Superman look bad?
Ummmm because somebody thought to be weaker than superman with no real lifting feats that compare.. was able to do it alone. You mean other than that?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm because somebody thought to be weaker than superman with no real lifting feats that compare.. was able to do it alone. You mean other than that?
You'd have to prove that Superman needed Billy's help.
That, and going by the comics, Superman has always been superior to Ultraman. One feat doesn't wipe that out, nor does it make Superman look bad.
Originally posted by HorrificusPure win. 😂
I stated this and you would have saved yourself endless, arrogant banter if you had read it, instead of just brooding in your bathroom, imagining your magnificent retorts.Imagine you have a pair of balls in your mouth. Sure, if you are more at-home actually performing the act, be my guest. Now, bite. That is the effect the serpent can have from either state.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You'd have to prove that Superman needed Billy's help.That, and going by the comics, Superman has always been superior to Ultraman. One feat doesn't wipe that out, nor does it make Superman look bad.
Other than the fact that Billy DID help.. If superman could do it alone why didn't it? I don't need to prove a negative. He had Billy's help so it's up to you to prove he didn't need it.. not the other way around. To say nothing of the fact that superman facial expressions were clearly seen as struggling to lift it even with Billy's help... if he struggled with help.. what on God's green earth makes you believe he could do it alone. Could I see some feats of superman lifting infinite weight on his own.. since you believe he could and didn't need his help.
Have they ever had a direct comparison of strength before? If so, when was it and what happened?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Other than the fact that Billy DID help.. If superman could do it alone why didn't it? I don't need to prove a negative. He had Billy's help so it's up to you to prove he didn't need it.. not the other way around. To say nothing of the fact that superman facial expressions were clearly seen as struggling to lift it even with Billy's help... if he struggled with help.. what on God's green earth makes you believe he could do it alone. Could I see some feats of superman lifting infinite weight on his own.. since you believe he could and didn't need his help.Have they ever had a direct comparison of strength before? If so, when was it and what happened?
Huh?
You claim you don't need to prove a negative, and yet you want me to do it?
You're the one claiming he needed help. That's a positive, so yeah, you would have to prove it.
I'm not going to pretend that Superman regularly lifts infinite weight. Your attempt at lowballing just isn't going to work either.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See, I wonder about that.If we are to assume infinite pages, surely it'll be infinitely thick too?
But if it isn't, then it can't have infinite weight...
Bingo,The book had infinite pages. It wasn't said to have infinite weight. Given the esoteric and logic defying nature of the feat. It having infinite weight does not immediately logically follow otherwise, infinite thickness, it consuming infinite space etc would have to follow as well...but we clearly see that they don't. It's simply unquantifiable.
Anyhow for this thread, Thor is not gonna be replicating the superman feat anytime soon if ever. Or even coming close to it really. On average the strength gap is noticeable but not gargantuan. But at the highest quantifiable levels, supermans feats thoroughly blow Thors out of the water.
