Originally posted by Robtardif they were both murdered, yup.
So you're saying all death affects you the same; your father dying is no more painful than some dude in Florida that you've never met.That's like some seriously deep spiritual shit, dude.
I would obviously grieve more for my father, but I would feel just as bad about that random dude being killed because my father and that guy are both human.
Originally posted by marwash22
if they were both murdered, yup.I would obviously grieve more for my father, but I would feel just as bad about that random dude being killed because my father and that guy are both human.
Okay, no one is saying they wouldn't feel bad if 20+ adults had been killed by a gunman. Just that they "grieve" more cos it's children.
You're my father?
Originally posted by marwash22Well, there's a 1 in 30 chance.
You're my father?
Assuming your mother is estimating the right day of your conception.
I just know I got there first.
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This event has shaken me more than anything since 911. I have a daughter in K4, and all I can think about is how scared and helpless she would have been in that situation. I can't even imagine the pain of the parents, who at this point must know that their child is one of the victims. I think the one possible deterrent to this type of attack would be to get faculty volunteers to undergo extensive vetting and training in the use of firearms. Considering the age of the victims, in this situation the perpetrator probably could have inflicted similar damage with a number of weapons, but one well trained faculty member could have stopped him.
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I couldn't agree more.
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Sorry, but I still have to say the better answer is to keep an officer or two in the schools. I suppose the teachers could do it, but one, that's putting a lot of extra firearms within the reach of children and all it takes is one careless action. Two, most teachers or faculty having a bad day might snap on someone; those with a firearm at hand might lose it in a much more violent way. Only in America is one of the most resounding solutions always, "More guns, more guns, more guns."
I didn't see those in Norway clamoring for camp counselors to start carrying weapons after that asshat showed up and killed all of those kids. It was a tragedy, but loading up on weapons is not the answer.
Having an officer or two at the school is, in fact, asking for more guns.
Having officers and guards is also a reactionary measure, not a deterrent. In the time it would take for an officer to physically get to an incident (probably around 10 seconds or so if he sprints), a gunman with a semi-automatic could very easily empty a clip or two into some kids.
A proper preventive measure would be metal detectors at the entrance to the school, and armed security guards manning them imo.
Only problem with that is the huuuuge cost. You might be better off with a team of guards, cost for cost.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Having an officer or two at the school is, in fact, asking for more guns.
Having an officer or two at the school is, in fact, asking for more guns but only when they're attached to people who have specific training in how and when to use those guns.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Having officers and guards is also a reactionary measure, not a deterrent.
Cops are only not a deterrent if you lock them in their own special room. You could post them by the door.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosWhich is irrelevent, considering his statement about asking for more guns was in reply to a proposal that teachers "receive extensive vetting and training in the use of firearms".
[B]Having an officer or two at the school is, in fact, asking for more guns but only when they're attached to people who have specific training in how and when to use those guns.
Cops are only not a deterrent if you lock them in their own special room. You could post them by the door.What door? In my elementary school there were 6 entrances to the school, and about 40 classrooms. I wouldn't feel deterred if I saw a police officer on the other side of the school from where I am. If I'm on a suicidal charge with my only objective being to shoot as many kids as possible before I kill myself, knowing that I'll only be able to shoot five instead of ten because a cop will reach me eventually isn't a deterrent. The trick is to prevent the individual from getting into the school with a gun in the first place.