Originally posted by quanchi112
I asked you to explain your reasoning and you have been unable to do so. That's why I think you're a fanboy. You can't answer simple questions and resort to posturing.
You gave the option, I choose not to. Besides, you're agreeing the Gandalf is wisest here, so don't you have your own reasons or are you hoping to glean some off me/others?
Learn to think for yourself, man.
Originally posted by RobtardI have my own reasons but I'd like to hear yours. None of these characters were perfect and obviously had flaws so any answer isn't 100 percent iron clad in stone.
You gave the option, I choose not to. Besides, you're agreeing the Gandalf is wisest here, so don't you have your own reasons or are you hoping to glean some off me/others?Learn to think for yourself, man.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have my own reasons but I'd like to hear yours. None of these characters were perfect and obviously had flaws so any answer isn't 100 percent iron clad in stone.
Reasons which apparently you're unable to state. Yeah, Quan. Good show. *golf clap*
Who said "Gandalf is perfect"? I don't recall anyone saying that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then a few examples shouldn't be difficult. I mean Gandalf was so wise he really saw Saruman betraying him, amirite ?
Saruman was ranked above gandalf for the very reason that his was altogether more cunning and shrewd. Also how was he supposed to know, according to the movie(tho he went there for a different reason in the book) he was there for sarumans council. So logically even gandalf thought saruman was wiser than he. Your trying to gimp gandlaf by sayin ghe was ricked by someone who was always supposed to be superior to him. He was given the keys to isenguard and dominion over fangorn forest. He got corrupted by the equivelant of a god, who used the palantir to whisper to him. Sarumans pride was his only downfall. He thought he could bend the palantir to his will. Your argument is invalid.
If you really want a reason as to his wisdom ill give you one.
Hes a divine being who was placed in middle earth to defend it against its 2 greatest foes, morgoth and sauron. His powers and wisdom may not have quite rivaled theirs, but he was placed to offer council to the people fighting them and to aide in the fight. So hes no dummy. The powers of evil in middle earth were spawned from a being second only to eru the one who created it all.
Originally posted by RobtardI can state reasons but apparently you can't. Every question I ask you evade and run like you're gandalf in a room full of fat goblins.
Reasons which apparently you're unable to state. Yeah, Quan. Good show. *golf clap*Who said "Gandalf is perfect"? I don't recall anyone saying that.
Originally posted by omgchos
How did i know you'd say that. I must have psychic powers amirite?Saruman was ranked above gandalf for the very reason that his was altogether more cunning and shrewd. Also how was he supposed to know, according to the movie(tho he went there for a different reason in the book) he was there for sarumans council. So logically even gandalf thought saruman was wiser than he. Your trying to gimp gandlaf by sayin ghe was ricked by someone who was always supposed to be superior to him. He was given the keys to isenguard and dominion over fangorn forest. He got corrupted by the equivelant of a god, who used the palantir to whisper to him. Sarumans pride was his only downfall. He thought he could bend the palantir to his will. Your argument is invalid.
If you really want a reason as to his wisdom ill give you one.
Hes a divine being who was placed in middle earth to defend it against its 2 greatest foes, morgoth and sauron. His powers and wisdom may not have quite rivaled theirs, but he was placed to offer council to the people fighting them and to aide in the fight. So hes no dummy. The powers of evil in middle earth were spawned from a being second only to eru the one who created it all.
Well said.
If Quan bothered to read the books and watch the LoTR and Hobbit films, he'd know and have his own reasons instead of just opinion-jumping others and hoping they tell him why it's the correct choice.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I can state reasons but apparently you can't. Every question I ask you evade and run like you're gandalf in a room full of fat goblins.
Ah, the classic "I could totally kick your ass, but I won't" tactic, it's often favoured by loudmouths and cowards. Shocking you picked it.
So now once again you force me to levy an ultimatum on you, either state these reasons (which you totally could, right?) or GTFO of my thread, Quano.
Originally posted by Robtard
Well said.If Quan bothered to read the book and watch the LoTR and Hobbit films, he'd know and have his own reasons instead of just opinion-jumping others and hoping they tell him why it's the correct choice.
Originally posted by omgchosSo because someone is stationed above you and is more shrewd and cunning then you have to totally trust everything they say and do. The signs were there. Gandalf was completely caught off guard. That's the point. The guy was resilient and was rescued out of there but come on. The whole give the ring to Frodo backfired in the end. The guy wouldn't even toss the ring into Mount Doom. It happened by luck. Mostly your reasons fall into book hyperbole. Not surprised he's an angel/divine, lol.
How did i know you'd say that. I must have psychic powers amirite?Saruman was ranked above gandalf for the very reason that his was altogether more cunning and shrewd. Also how was he supposed to know, according to the movie(tho he went there for a different reason in the book) he was there for sarumans council. So logically even gandalf thought saruman was wiser than he. Your trying to gimp gandlaf by sayin ghe was ricked by someone who was always supposed to be superior to him. He was given the keys to isenguard and dominion over fangorn forest. He got corrupted by the equivelant of a god, who used the palantir to whisper to him. Sarumans pride was his only downfall. He thought he could bend the palantir to his will. Your argument is invalid.
If you really want a reason as to his wisdom ill give you one.
Hes a divine being who was placed in middle earth to defend it against its 2 greatest foes, morgoth and sauron. His powers and wisdom may not have quite rivaled theirs, but he was placed to offer council to the people fighting them and to aide in the fight. So hes no dummy. The powers of evil in middle earth were spawned from a being second only to eru the one who created it all.
Originally posted by RobtardGandalf seemed to read those around him well. He seemed to see what people were capable of before anyone else was. Gandalf knew the right path to go on and was up against much harder odds than the other two. The reason why I don't think it was a stomp is because Gandalf was completely hoodwinked by Saruman and the whole ring into Mount Doom bit almost blew up in his face. Frodo wasn't going to toss it in there.
Ah, the classic "I could totally kick your ass, but I won't" tactic, it's often favoured by loudmouths and cowards. Shocking you picked it.So now once again you force me to levy an ultimatum on you, either state these reasons (which you totally could, right?) or GTFO of my thread, Quano.
Dumbledore seemed to always be a step ahead despite Voldemort assraping the Harry Potter universe. Dumbledore even used his own death to his advantage and used it against Voldemort into fooling him with Snape.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So because someone is stationed above you and is more shrewd and cunning then you have to totally trust everything they say and do. The signs were there. Gandalf was completely caught off guard. That's the point. The guy was resilient and was rescued out of there but come on. The whole give the ring to Frodo backfired in the end. The guy wouldn't even toss the ring into Mount Doom. It happened by luck. Mostly your reasons fall into book hyperbole. Not surprised he's an angel/divine, lol.
Gandalf's position as Maiar is one of power, not wisdom. Gandalf as a Maiar doesn't show up in any substantial narrative prior to The Hobbit, so no displays of wisdom exist to suddenly make him wise. Even during The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, he shows himself to be wise... but to be the wisest?
Novel Dumbledore is heads and tails above any Gandalf, IMO. He showed a level of intelligence, understanding, and foresight that Gandalf never did. Richard Harris' portrayal captured that sense pretty well. Gambon's Dumbledore seemed like a lunatic--Gandalf>Gambondore, but not by a landslide.
Yoda isn't wise. Not by a long shot. He's a glorified quip spouter, and they don't make much sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf seemed to read those around him well. He seemed to see what people were capable of before anyone else was. Gandalf knew the right path to go on and was up against much harder odds than the other two. The reason why I don't think it was a stomp is because Gandalf was completely hoodwinked by Saruman and the whole ring into Mount Doom bit almost blew up in his face. Frodo wasn't going to toss it in there.Dumbledore seemed to always be a step ahead despite Voldemort assraping the Harry Potter universe. Dumbledore even used his own death to his advantage and used it against Voldemort into fooling him with Snape.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Gandalf's position as Maiar is one of power, not wisdom. Gandalf as a Maiar doesn't show up in any substantial narrative prior to The Hobbit, so no displays of wisdom exist to suddenly make him wise. Even during The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, he shows himself to be wise... but to be the wisest?Novel Dumbledore is heads and tails above any Gandalf, IMO. He showed a level of intelligence, understanding, and foresight that Gandalf never did. Richard Harris' portrayal captured that sense pretty well. Gambon's Dumbledore seemed like a lunatic--Gandalf>Gambondore, but not by a landslide.
Yoda isn't wise. Not by a long shot. He's a glorified quip spouter, and they don't make much sense.
Originally posted by omgchosI get all this but acting like Gandalf is on another level than Albus Dumbledore just isn't true. He did go with his best option but the guy wasn't out thinking everyone there was a huge bit of luck the way things ended up. Albus' plan was definitely more sound than Gandalf's plan. You're right he wasn't omniscient but my god the guy should be slapped for not suspecting Saruman's corruption. Albus and Voldemort seemed like two equal opponents as well in terms of intelligence but Albus even used his own death to his advantage.
There werent many options when it came to who was gonna take the ring to mordor. Elves didnt want the job, dwarves are too greedy, men are to easily corrupted with the expetion of a few(faramir for one), boromir being a perfect example, and gandalf along with the other powerful beings would have instantly been taken by the power of the ring. Hobbits such as bilbo have shown resilience to its power. He made it all the way to the presipice without totally succumbing. The point of him losing it was that sam was going to have to make a choice, but was saved that by smeagle. Gandalfs origional plan was good but was taken apart by sarumans orcs and boromirs corruption. He's not omniscient for crying out loud. And as to gandalf and saruman, he did see it coming and was trying to leave. My point is that saruman is almost equal to gandalf and they had to choose who to be in charge, but gandalf bowed out gracefully and let saruman take over as he didnt think he was suited for the top spot. Which he was in the end. He had power even greater than that of saruman.
Gandalf did die but unlike Albus he couldn't just shoot back into reality which made Albus' plans that much more difficult to carry out since he couldn't jump right back into the mix as Gandalf got the chance to do.
Originally posted by RobtardYou implied as much with the /thread. You also can't argue for poop. You can't even explain to me why you believe a certain way. That's awful.
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Okay, no one said "Gandalf is so much wiser he stomps!". Just that Gandalf is the wiser of the three here.Glad you agree with my first assessment that Gandalf wins, Quan. Good, good. You're learning.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You implied as much with the /thread. You also can't argue for shit. You can't even explain to me why you believe a certain way. That's awful.
No, I didn't imply a thing, you're just too stupid to see it. You asked who was wisest of 'these' three; I said "Gandalf" and you copied me and started crying for some reason.
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Gandalf's choice to pick Frodo shits on all over wisdoms. As from outward appearances, Frodo was an utterly poor and stupid choice.
Originally posted by omgchosVoldemort was ruled by his own fear and what not. He was wise in accomplishing what he did. He separated his own soul and became the most powerful wizard ever. The fact he had no idea someone he knew well had betrayed him is his own damn fault. Who the hell's fault is it ?
Voldy showed time and again how unwise he was. Power and intelligence do not make wisdom. Gandalf showed that he always made the right decsion. And him being betrayed was not a mistake on his part. He had no idea before coming to isenguard taht saruman was jerking of sauron through the palantir.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I get all this but acting like Gandalf is on another level than Albus Dumbledore just isn't true. He did go with his best option but the guy wasn't out thinking everyone there was a huge bit of luck the way things ended up. Albus' plan was definitely more sound than Gandalf's plan. You're right he wasn't omniscient but my god the guy should be slapped for not suspecting Saruman's corruption. Albus and Voldemort seemed like two equal opponents as well in terms of intelligence but Albus even used his own death to his advantage.Gandalf did die but unlike Albus he couldn't just shoot back into reality which made Albus' plans that much more difficult to carry out since he couldn't jump right back into the mix as Gandalf got the chance to do.
You implied as much with the /thread. You also can't argue for poop. You can't even explain to me why you believe a certain way. That's awful.