Originally posted by Rookwood
Can Vitiate react to someone who can clear 15 feet in two seconds?
And also keep in mind that Vitiate can create duplicates of himself during combat situations.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause you saying so doesn't make it so.Why not?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd this mean he is more prone to attacks how?
The clone body, due to not being able to sustain such power, is undergoing continues deteriorate. decay.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo are you saying he is more prone to dark side attacks too?
With the kind of guy Sidious is up against:As they drew closer to the throne room, Revan's thoughts drifted back to his last confrontation with the Emperor. In all his battles, he had never faced an enemy with that kind of power. The dark side had radiated from him in palpable waves, his physical shell barely able to contain the crackling energy. (SWTOR Revan)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf thats the case, wouldn't Sidious be closer to death everytime he unleashed his powers? How come he didn't simply get ripped to pieces when he summoned his wormhole, which according to sourcebooks, require extreme amounts of force powers?
- Some moments are to be expected in this duel, in which no amount of protective measures will be sufficient to shield the clone body from extreme external abuse and the already internally stressed and deteriorating body is likely to easily end up getting destroyed in the process.
Wouldn't that have simply ripped him apart by exerting such power then?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThey aren't, but you are.
Try to understand that Star Wars authors aren't stupid.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich in this case, Sidious got knocked up against a wall pretty hard, but wait, how come he didn't simply dissentigrate?
Force push doesn't damages an opponent unless the opponent hits an object or something in the process.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnything to back this up?
And Palpatine clones aren't as durable as you pointed out here. A clone body would last a year maximum with its durability reaching zero point by the end of the period. The internal decay would begin from day 1.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDKeyword, from within, again, how is this concrete proof that he will be more prone to damage from other dark side attacks used on him?The very reason that Palpatine's clone bodies deteriorated was due to getting ravaged by powerful dark side energies from within, which were not even channeled on them offensively. Such powerful dark side energies, if channeled directly on these bodies, would absolutely shatter them.
What proof do you have? What sources actually support your stupid and ridiculous assertion?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBy coming up with stupid and ridiculous assertions? Sure as hell sounds like blatant fanboyism to me, which everyone on this forum calls you out for.
No. I try to maintain balance.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause the majority of his focus was on controlling the wormhole and beginning to summon another one?
I like how some infer that Sidious is almost unstoppable yet (Pre-NJO) Luke disarmed him, and with help form Leia; both cut him off from the Force.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Because you saying so doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by shinkoryu And this mean he is more prone to attacks how?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
So are you saying he is more prone to dark side attacks too?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
If thats the case, wouldn't Sidious be closer to death everytime he unleashed his powers? How come he didn't simply get ripped to pieces when he summoned his wormhole, which according to sourcebooks, require extreme amounts of force powers?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Wouldn't that have simply ripped him apart by exerting such power then?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
They aren't, but you are.
Imperfect clone body is a weakness of DE Palpatine. Whether you like this or not, does not makes difference.
"As one's body is consumed by the power of the dark side, the key to immortality is the growth of new bodies into which one can project one's own life essence. Unfortunately, because the clones are one step removed from the natural life process itself, they are much more vulnerable to the effects of the dark side, and age at an extremely accelerated rate. The only logical solution is to grow many more clones at the same time as backups." (Palpatine)
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Which in this case, Sidious got knocked up against a wall pretty hard, but wait, how come he didn't simply dissentigrate?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Anything to back this up?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Keyword, from within, again, how is this concrete proof that he will be more prone to damage from other dark side attacks used on him?What proof do you have? What sources actually support your stupid and ridiculous assertion?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
By coming up with stupid and ridiculous assertions? Sure as hell sounds like blatant fanboyism to me, which everyone on this forum calls you out for.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Because the majority of his focus was on controlling the wormhole and beginning to summon another one?
Luke and Palpatine dueled in fair manner for a second time aboard Eclipse and Luke disarmed the latter this time. After this, Palpatine became furious and began to summon a Force Storm to destroy Luke and his allies. However, Luke and Leia joined hands and disrupted Palpatine in the process via Force Harmony technique; Palpatine lost control of his powers then, and this gave Luke and Leia the opportunity to escape while the Force Storm destroyed Eclipse where this encounter took place and Palpatine once again became an essence.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If he can't then his power and force mastery is seriously over rated.One gains speed and reaction through a good connection to the force. Which is either from being naturally strong in the force or by having a great mastery of it.
Vitiate clearly has both. The only way Sidious is Saber blitzing him is if he hasn't ever developed his Saber skills.
Again, it really depends on how generous or fair-minded the participants want to be.
On sheer evidence alone, the reborn Emperor would slaughter Vitiate by virtue of vastly superior speed.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Again, it really depends on how generous or fair-minded the participants want to be.On sheer evidence alone, the reborn Emperor would slaughter Vitiate by virtue of vastly superior speed.
It goes both ways.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL Why not just have him use his force mastery and dark side magic to fly at mach speeds??Seriously who wrote this crap? I mean jeez I thought Dark Empire went overboard.
Well, it is good to note that Palpatine finally have competition. Star Wars mythos would be boring with hard and fast assumptions like the above guy makes.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCorrect.
Palpatine wanted a body durable enough to sustain powerful dark side energies.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIncorrect, Galen Marek, Jorus c boath weren't "destroyed" easily because they were clones.
No. Clone body will be easier to destroy then a natural body.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAgain, you don't get my point as usual.
No. It is hint of his immense power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo, but unleashing vast amounts of powers should have caused further deterioration to his already deteriorating body, which actually did happen, but to his stable clone body in DE1, it had very minor affects, but in EE where he used a sabotaged clone body? Even minor force powers deteriorated his already sabotaged body to a larger degree.
No. Sidious did not unleashed his powers on himself or did he?No. Was he unleashing such power on himself?
Thus i see no reason why should he be more vulnerable to force attacks if he can withstand conjuring his own power into a massive scale.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNot with someone as stubborn and pig headed as yourself.
Can you keep this civil?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAh, you quoted this from wookiepedia.
Imperfect clone body is a weakness of DE Palpatine. Whether you like this or not, does not makes difference."As one's body is consumed by the power of the dark side, the key to immortality is the growth of new bodies into which one can project one's own life essence. Unfortunately, because the clones are one step removed from the natural life process itself, they are much more vulnerable to the effects of the dark side, and age at an extremely accelerated rate. The only logical solution is to grow many more clones at the same time as backups." (Palpatine)
Its true that he is more prone to damage from the dark side, but how is this in anyway indicates he is more prone to force attacks?
How is it possible, that Sidious is even alive on a dark side nexus which has dark side energies ravaging the entire planet while at the same time not ravaging his body?(Byss).
That quote, which you posted, simply states that the negative aspects of the force, simply age and deteriorate his body quicker, it doesn't actually state that the dark side energies or force attacks outright kill him because he is already vulnerable. Meaning, if lets say somebody constantly barrages him with force attacks, it simply ages his body towards its dying state quicker.
Heck, in Empires end, Sidious was in possession of a clone that was utterly sabotaged where Sidious only had a matter of days to live, and every time he uses even a minor power, his body deteriorates even further. So yeah, i concede the point about him using his own powers wont deteriorate him.
Thus, if Palpatine was deteriorating at such an incredible rate in a sabotaged clone, and if even minor powers drained him further, that means his stable clones are way more durable than you think considering that he can summon a force storm without getting weakened, or drained one bit, but simply adds to his slow aging.
That would apply to force attacks as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhen fueled by anger and rage, it is according to luke skywalker and kyle katarn. Which in this case Luke attacked Palpatine in a fit of rage.
Force push represents powerful dark side energy based attack? Since when?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDGalen marek, Jorus c boath, Luuke skywalker clone, Heck, the whole friggin GE stormtroopers.
How about you give me an example of which clone body lasted more then a year?
Are you this stupid?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYeah well see the above.
Logical deduction based on Sidious's own assessment of his clones.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou DO care, which is why you flip out everytime someone calls you out on your fanboyism, if you didn't care, you wouldn't even be trying to convince me or anyone otherwise.
I don't care. Most of the self-proclaimed judges here are even greater fanboys then me.
And yes, you ARE the greatest fanboy around here, i mean coming up with illogical and unreadable arguments while belittling the characters you outright dislike? You are no different mate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDon't forget that the only reason they could sever his force connection was because he was in the midst of summoning a second force storm in the vicinity according to the DE audio and source book.Luke and Palpatine dueled in fair manner for a second time aboard Eclipse and Luke disarmed the latter this time. After this, Palpatine became furious and began to summon a Force Storm to destroy Luke and his allies. However, Luke and Leia joined hands and disrupted Palpatine in the process via Force Harmony technique; Palpatine lost control of his powers then, and this gave Luke and Leia the opportunity to escape while the Force Storm destroyed Eclipse where this encounter took place and Palpatine once again became an essence.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThats a stupid argument ey? You think a force user won't be able to sense if the duplicate is real or not? Jango had no problems with komari vosas duplicate and neither did luke have any problems with lumiyas phantoms.
On sheer evidence alone, Vitiate can confuse Palpatine with his duplicates and then bring him down with his powers.It goes both ways.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Correct.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Incorrect, Galen Marek, Jorus c boath weren't "destroyed" easily because they were clones.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Again, you don't get my point as usual.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
No, but unleashing vast amounts of powers should have caused further deterioration to his already deteriorating body, which actually did happen, but to his stable clone body in DE1, it had very minor affects, but in EE where he used a sabotaged clone body? Even minor force powers deteriorated his already sabotaged body to a larger degree.
Now imagine, if the whole clone body is engulfed by an extremely potent Force Lightning (described as a swirling storm of pure dark side energies), bombarding it, burning it and working to rip it from inside out. This is the point.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Thus i see no reason why should he be more vulnerable to force attacks if he can withstand conjuring his own power into a massive scale.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Not with someone as stubborn and pig headed as yourself.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Ah, you quoted this from wookiepedia.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Its true that he is more prone to damage from the dark side, but how is this in anyway indicates he is more prone to force attacks?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
How is it possible, that Sidious is even alive on a dark side nexus which has dark side energies ravaging the entire planet while at the same time not ravaging his body?(Byss).
Originally posted by shinkoryu
That quote, which you posted, simply states that the negative aspects of the force, simply age and deteriorate his body quicker, it doesn't actually state that the dark side energies or force attacks outright kill him because he is already vulnerable. Meaning, if lets say somebody constantly barrages him with force attacks, it simply ages his body towards its dying state quicker.
"Unfortunately, because the clones are one step removed from the natural life process itself, they are much more vulnerable to the effects of the dark side, and age at an extremely accelerated rate. The only logical solution is to grow many more clones at the same time as backups."
Aging is a separate issue with Palpatine's clones. More notable drawback is that these clones were highly vulnerable to impact of dark side energies.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Heck, in Empires end, Sidious was in possession of a clone that was utterly sabotaged where Sidious only had a matter of days to live, and every time he uses even a minor power, his body deteriorates even further. So yeah, i concede the point about him using his own powers wont deteriorate him.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Thus, if Palpatine was deteriorating at such an incredible rate in a sabotaged clone, and if even minor powers drained him further, that means his stable clones are way more durable than you think considering that he can summon a force storm without getting weakened, or drained one bit, but simply adds to his slow aging.That would apply to force attacks as well.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
When fueled by anger and rage, it is according to luke skywalker and kyle katarn. Which in this case Luke attacked Palpatine in a fit of rage.
Some examples of pure dark side energies based powers are Force Lightning, Force Drain and Force Storm.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Galen marek, Jorus c boath, Luuke skywalker clone, Heck, the whole friggin GE stormtroopers.Are you this stupid?
Kaminoan scientists were famous for creating high quality clones in the whole Galaxy. However, situation changed after the defeat of The Galactic Empire. Resurrected Palpatine wanted a Kaminoan scientist Ko Sai to make clones for him. Unfortunately for him, she committed suicide.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Yeah well see the above.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
You DO care, which is why you flip out everytime someone calls you out on your fanboyism, if you didn't care, you wouldn't even be trying to convince me or anyone otherwise.
What I find ironic is that other fanboys (themselves) accuse me of being one.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
And yes, you ARE the greatest fanboy around here, i mean coming up with illogical and unreadable arguments while belittling the characters you outright dislike? You are no different mate.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Don't forget that the only reason they could sever his force connection was because he was in the midst of summoning a second force storm in the vicinity according to the DE audio and source book.
Also, Palpatine had summoned a Force Storm before on Coruscant as far as I remember.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Thats a stupid argument ey? You think a force user won't be able to sense if the duplicate is real or not? Jango had no problems with komari vosas duplicate and neither did luke have any problems with lumiyas phantoms.
Hero of Tython, regardless of being immensely powerful and talented, was striking Vitiate's phantoms/illusions during the duel. This suggests that Vitiate successfully concealed and/or overshadowed their fake-ness.
Originally posted by jadams3928
I definitely enjoy how you downplay one character's feats and then claim the other one is superior without any basis whatsoever.
I know you enjoy it because you're doing the same exact thing. Vitiate has never speedblitzed anyone. He hasn't even killed anyone in the game.
What does he have other than mind domination? Anything at all that can last in a fight against Sidious, the most powerful Sith lord of them all? Or do you not know Star Wars? I'm overrating Sidious, really? Did you watch ROTS? Or actually do you actually know who Sidious is? I'm not being sarcastic, do you?
OT: And do you know what basis means? Because you're not even trying to dispel the argument. All you did was use some cop out 3rd grade response. Spare me the sarcasm unless you out some sort of wit in them. We're not in kindergarten anymore.
I know you enjoy it because you're doing the same exact thing. Vitiate has never speedblitzed anyone. He hasn't even killed anyone in the game.
There was no need for him to kill anyone in the game.
What does he have other than mind domination? Anything at all that can last in a fight against Sidious, the most powerful Sith lord of them all? Or do you not know Star Wars? I'm overrating Sidious, really? Did you watch ROTS? Or actually do you actually know who Sidious is? I'm not being sarcastic, do you?
Originally posted by Based
Vitiate has never speedblitzed anyone.
Originally posted by Based
He hasn't even killed anyone in the game.
Originally posted by Based
What does he have other than mind domination?
Vitiate;
1. Is most proficient with Force Lightning in the whole mythos.
2. Can create illusions/phantoms of himself during combat situations.
3. Can unleash highly potent blast of energies with bare hands. (Exar Kun performed this feat with amulets; Vitiate instantly knocked out an entire Jedi Strike Team with this power.)
4. Is highly proficient with TK.
5. Is very good at defending himself.
Furthermore, he demonstrates Abeloth like capabilities during SWTOR.
And this isn't all.
Originally posted by Based
Anything at all that can last in a fight against Sidious, the most powerful Sith lord of them all?
Most powerful Sith Lord of them all is now an ambiguous fellato.