DE Sidious -vs- The Emperor (Lord Vitiate)

Started by Nephthys19 pages
Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

No I believe what he's saying is that the in-universe historian who wrote the quote has no basis to declare Sidious more powerful than beings who lived thousands of years before him.

SIDIOUS 66 Senior Member

Yes I know. But it seems like he is trying to explain what the historian meant when he labeled Sidious as the most power sith in history. The context or whatever.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Which you failed to elaborate, you make an argument that all clones are easier to kill off, and now when i prove you wrong, you magically change your stance on the matter.

For someone as powerful and lethal in the Force as Vitiate or close, it would be (logically) easy to destroy such clone bodies in a duel which are vulnerable to the impact of dark side energies. Continue to read below.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Again, you don't get my point which further proves your incompetence as a "debater", i wasn't disputing Vitiates power level idiot, you just actually failed to grasp at the point i was making.

You don't get to hide your incompetence with such taunts.

Here is the thread title for you: DE Sidious -vs- The Emperor (Lord Vitiate)

Which opponent for Sidious do you think I would be keeping in mind when I am making a point in this thread? Huh?

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Which you did not state at all earlier in any of your posts. All you kept arguing about was how fragile all clone bodies are. Again, this proves your incompetence in an actual coherant debate.

🙄

When you loose an argument, is this your usual taunt in response? Self-proclaimed competent one?

Originally posted by shinkoryu
And um yeah? Sidious only needed his hands to unleash his powers? So are you arguing that his or Vitiates vast reserves of force powers only comes from their hands?

Calling upon the Force shouldn't have an impact on the condition of a clone body IMO unless I am missing something in this context.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Then yes, it would further affect his deteriorating body, by simply making it age faster.

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So (as an example) if Vitiate bombards Sidious's clone body with his extremely potent Force Lightning; the clone body will simply age further? Your competence is praise worthy.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Which iv already responded to.

And you failed to make any sense out of it.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
You can try you paki, seriously, just try.

Empty threats do not scare me. If you continue down this road, I will make sure that you get banned.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Did YOU check the actual source? Honestly, knowing your character, you probably don't even have the source materials as you outright stated you're an old republic era fanboy, so its highly unlikely you even have any of these sources that are not of TOR material.

This source has been cited: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force.

Self-proclaimed competent. Epic fail.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Again, see my response about his aging.

Which is inadequate.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Simply put, you don't have a response.

I can say the same about you.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Palpatine and the DSSB itself states that the effects of the dark side are the sole things responsible for palpatines aging clone bodies. The more power he exerts, the more it adds to his deterioration.

Mention the quotes and page numbers.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
He isn't as vulnerable to the point as you put it, or his own massive scale force powers would have ripped him to shreds on the spot.

Like I said, did he unleash his deadly powers on himself to test the durability of his clone bodies?

Originally posted by shinkoryu
And Sidious powers are powerful enough to engulf entire planets while rip the fabrics of space and time with ease, whats your point? Both are extremely powerful individuals.
This;

[QUOTE=14138649]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
DE incarnation of Palpatine pack a major weakness and also advantage. Major weakness is that this incarnation, if in clone body, will be extremely vulnerable against deadly dark side powers. Clone body can be easily destroyed by such powers. Major advantage is the ability of this incarnation to summon a Force Storm which can destroy any mortal being/materialistic object.

So both DE Palpatine and Vitiate are capable of destroying each other's bodies.

Get the memo? My stand on this matter is crystal clear since the start of this thread.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ok.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Actually you are. You've asked me to show you one clone that survived for more than a year, you didn't specify if its the palpatine clone, or just clones in general. Its not my fault your command of the english language is utter shit.

If you would have bothered to check my very first response in this thread, you would have noticed that I am talking about Palpatine's imperfect clones in this thread. Its not my fault if you lack in common sense and skim through pages.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
AGAIN you change your stance and argument when i prove you wrong, you really think im this stupid to think i don't know that you got this bit of info straight from wookiepedia after i told you the amount of clones that survived for more than a year?

So what? Wookieepedia makes it convenient for the potential readers to determine the sources from which the information has been gathered. If Wiki is such a useless medium, why the hell so many people consult it?

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Pretty doubtful, considering that anybody that disagrees with you is "instantly labelled an OT/PT worshipper"

No. Members (Nai) and (Nephthys) take interest in both modern era and ancient era lores. Yet, they keep an open mind. Even member (DARTH POWER) keeps an open mind regardless of him not taking much interest in the ancient era lore. Their would be few more.

But then you have members (The_Tempest), (SIDIOUS 66) and few others like these who will always debate in favour of modern era lore and are beyond reasoning.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Because you ARE one!

It feels good to keep a check on PT/OT fanboyism.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
And one such fanboy is you.

I have my reasons.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Because such techniques can be defended against.

Enlighten me.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Um ok?

Concession accepted again.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Not when your opponent is a force user.

Inadequate point.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Do your homework properly moron, Vitiate didn't "conceal" his phantoms presence against the Hero, he was on the friggin stairs right infront of the hero when he summoned the phantoms in which the hero reacted by turning his back to strike down the phantoms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyAfEgYAMo

It starts at 11:50.


In the 'finalized version' of this duel;

Initially, Vitiate summoned some phantoms without himself participating in the fight. After those phantoms were struck down, Vitiate then approached the position of Hero of Tython and resumed the fight. During this scenario, Vitiate summoned more phantoms alongside himself to confuse Hero of Tython.

Until this duel is canonically explained, it would be useless exercise to debate on whose point of view is correct.

DARTH POWER Senior Member
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yes I know. But it seems like he is trying to explain what the historian meant when he labeled Sidious as the most power sith in history. The context or whatever.

He offered a different interpretation of what the historian could have easily meant. Point is it's a fallible source anyway.

And btw I'm not actually against Sidious in this argument. But just pointing out your not winning this debate by just using a statement like that.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by Arhael
In DE audio book it was lightning Luke used against Emperor, not Force push:

"LUKE: You forget -- I am a Jedi Master now. And I KNOW something about the Dark Side!

Sound: Luke unleashes his OWN Force lightning on the Emperor. The old (young) man crashes against the wall.
"

Really?? Cool!

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Indeed. Why would power refer to combat prowess when the contest in question is a fight? Wouldn't make any sense at all, really. Yoda fled the fight by virtue of Sidious's command of Republic legislative procedure and rhetorical prowess.

Well he kind of did.. I mean it's not like Yoda fled because Sidious just outright beat him in combat. And I'm sure the fact that Sidious had his own Empire whilst Yoda was on his lonesome, had a material effect on the decision to flee at the point that he did.

Damn I triple posted.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well he kind of did.. I mean it's not like Yoda fled because Sidious just outright beat him in combat. And I'm sure the fact that Sidious had his own Empire whilst Yoda was on his lonesome, had a material effect on the decision to flee at the point that he did.

haermm

I'm beginning to wonder what horrific crime the English language perpetrated against the three of you that would inspire you to so willfully abuse it.

Yoda referred to Palpatine as "emperor" during their infiltration of the clone-occupied Jedi Temple; he addresses Palpatine himself as such at the beginning of their confrontation beneath the Rotunda; Yoda was painfully aware of the fact that he was on his lonesome and Sidious had an Empire at his disposal before the fight began.

The fact that he elected to initiate and continue the brawl with these two facts in mind undermines the idea that they were the reason he fled. Perhaps they were the reason he never made a second attempt; that would be reasonable.

The reason he fled is because he was unarmed. He didn't drop his lightsaber out of awe of the Emperor's ability to recite bureaucratic procedure.

jadams3928 Restricted

Originally posted by The_Tempest

No, we aren't playing a game. You're currently riding Nai's nuts on a retarded issue because he happens to share your views on another.


With this logic, it's no wonder you're losing the debate. Let me try.. You're riding Sidious66/Arhael's nuts because they happen to share your views.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by jadams3928
With this logic, it's no wonder you're losing the debate. Let me try.. You're riding Sidious66/Arhael's nuts because they happen to share your views.

Tell me, what kind of nut-riding is it when I openly question one (Arhael), correct another (SIDIOUS_66) and a third (-KV-), who openly share my views?

I must be doing it wrong. But you have plenty of experience in this regard, you can give me some pointers.

If you'd be so kind as to point out any of your corrections of the numerous errors and fallacies committed by Nai, Neph, and S_W_LeGenD?

jadams3928 Restricted

You'll have to point out how many times I've addressed Neph or Legend in the last week or so? Furthermore, I DID correct Nai when he said Vitiate was 16 before he was summoned by Ragnos🙂

And finally, you don't see me responding to arguments that I like with a resounding "YEA".

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by jadams3928
You'll have to point out how many times I've addressed Neph or Legend in the last week or so?

That's precisely the point, innit? Let's not pretend you have any less of a slant on this enduring debate than the rest of us, across three threads. The only people you've extended any objection to happen to be ones that don't support Vitiate. I may have selected a side, but at least I'm man enough to (1) admit it and (2) question/call out my confederates when they're wrong.

Such alarming groupthink from a Texan. You embarrass the South, son. facepalm

Originally posted by jadams3928
Furthermore, I DID correct Nai when he said Vitiate was 16 before he was summoned by Ragnos🙂

Where?

Originally posted by jadams3928
And finally, you don't see me responding to arguments that I like with a resounding "YEA".

No one said you did. But for a guy who's been spamming "lol fanboy" at folks, you sure have very particular targets. What separates you from SIDIOUS_66? Are you telling me LeGenD is not a fanboy?

jadams3928 Restricted


That's precisely the point, innit? Let's not pretend you have any less of a slant on this enduring debate than the rest of us, across three threads. The only people you've extended any objection to happen to be ones that don't support Vitiate. I may have selected a side, but at least I'm man enough to (1) admit it and (2) question/call out my confederates when they're wrong.

Such alarming groupthink from a Texan. You embarrass the South, son.


Weird, I remember not slamming Faunus for his sentiments. Perhaps it isn't anyone who disagrees with me but anyone who can provide a valid argument either way?

No one said you did. But for a guy who's been spamming "lol fanboy" at folks, you sure have very particular targets. What separates you from SIDIOUS_66? Are you telling me LeGenD is not a fanboy?

Of course he is. He's on the other side of Sidious66.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by jadams3928
Weird, I remember not slamming Faunus for his sentiments. Perhaps it isn't anyone who disagrees with me but anyone who can provide a valid argument either way?

Horseshit. You don't slam me or Faunus out of abject fear.

Originally posted by jadams3928
Of course he is. He's on the other side of Sidious66.

Seriously, could you be any more offensive to SIDIOUS_66? You've said some mean-spirited things in your day, but that's a new low.

jadams3928 Restricted

I don't slam anyone making a good argument. That's a fact. And I'm offensive to people who decide to act like retards. I'm sorry I don't treat everyone like the special, delicate flower that they are but that's life.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by jadams3928
Of course he is. He's on the other side of Sidious66.

Dude, if you think that I am a fanboy of such a calibre then you perhaps haven't dealt with true fanboys of Ancient/TOR lore.

It would be wise for you to not fall for the propaganda of member (The_Tempest) against me, who himself is proving to be beyond reasoning. His nice English writing skills do not put a cover over his fallacies that many can notice.

I have dealt with some extremely ridiculous and senseless farts from those whom I regard as PT/OT worshippers. The idiocy of arguments from such individuals range from 'Revan used guns and grenades to overcome Malak on STAR Forge' to 'Malak is a fodder Sith' and probably even worse.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by jadams3928
I don't slam anyone making a good argument.

You're not making a contrapositive here, are you?
Because you don't slam some people who happen to be, by all reasonable standards, barely-functioning morons.

Spoiler:
They're legendary.
Spoiler:
get it?
Originally posted by jadams3928
That's a fact. And I'm offensive to people who decide to act like retards. I'm sorry I don't treat everyone like the special, delicate flower that they are but that's life.

All I'm saying is maybe you should buy a girl candy and flowers before you bend her over the table.

axel_jovan Looking around.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
DE Sids demolishes Vitiate.

For all of Vitiate's uberness, I feel that even RotS Sids would win a majority in all-out against him.


This thread has failed to provide convincing argument for Vitiate's combat prowess. As of RotS, Sidious enjoys an advantage in that department exemplified by his superior combat feats and thus he wins a clear majority against the Sith Emperor.
God only knows what DE Sidious would do to him with his ability to conjure Force Storm with "a mere thought.”

On a side note:
I'm off to celebrate New Years.

Happy 2013 everybody! 🙂

jadams3928 Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude, if you think that I am a fanboy of such a calibre then you perhaps haven't dealt with true fanboys of Ancient/TOR lore.

It would be wise for you to not fall for the propaganda of member (The_Tempest) against me, who himself is proving to be beyond reasoning. His nice English writing skills do not put a cover over his fallacies that many can notice.

I have dealt with some extremely ridiculous and senseless farts from those whom I regard as PT/OT worshippers. The idiocy of arguments from such individuals range from 'Revan used guns and grenades to overcome Malak on STAR Forge' to 'Malak is a fodder Sith' and probably even worse.

My point is, we are all fanboys to a certain extent. Some defend their position more vigorously than others.

You're not making a contrapositive here, are you?
Because you don't slam some people who happen to be, by all reasonable standards, barely-functioning morons.

Someone's taken the LSATS.. But no.. If I'm intimately involved in a debate and someone acts like a jackass, I call them out on it. At the same time, NOBODY is objective.

All I'm saying is maybe you should buy a girl candy and flowers before you bend her over the table.

Flowers and candy cost money. Just sayin

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You're not making a contrapositive here, are you?
Because you don't slam some people who happen to be, by all reasonable standards, barely-functioning morons.

Spoiler:
They're legendary.

Spoiler:
get it?

🙄

Originally posted by axel_jovan
This thread has failed to provide convincing argument for Vitiate's combat prowess. As of RotS, Sidious enjoys an advantage in that department and he wins a clear majority against the Sith Emperor. God only knows what DE Sidious would do to him with his ability to conjure Force Storm with "a mere thought.”

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Originally posted by jadams3928
My point is, we are all fanboys to a certain extent. Some defend their position more vigorously than others.

Agreed.

I classify people in two categories;

1. Those who can be reasoned with. (This category will scrutinize and reason.)
2. Those who cannot be reasoned with. (This category will mostly make ridiculous claims and judge others.)

Both are fans but the second kind is as worst as it can get.

You and I both rank in first kind.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by jadams3928
My point is, we are all fanboys to a certain extent.

I'm glad to read such things from you. I'm feeling a kodak moment.

Originally posted by jadams3928
Some defend their position more vigorously than others.

Why are you bringing my sex life into this?

Originally posted by jadams3928
Someone's taken the LSATS.. But no.. If I'm [b]intimately involved in a debate and someone acts like a jackass, I call them out on it. At the same time, NOBODY is objective.[/b]

This one dude named Gideon was...

Originally posted by jadams3928
Flowers and candy cost money. Just sayin

Maybe you should treat us like you treat your beloved wife?