The Galactic Empire vs The New Sith Empire

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Instead of fighting the Republic, Darth Sidious' Galactic Empire is transplanted into the time of TOR and there is a war between his Empire and Lord Vitiates. For clarification, Sidious gets the half of the galaxy that the Republic has in SWTOR as well as any contested world in the game (any world that he possesses in his own time that Vitiate does not in the TOR-era).

This is both Empires at their full-power. The GE has all its forces as well as Darth Vader and the Death Star and any thing else it possessed at the time if RotJ, excepting the Galaxy Gun and the Suncrusher if it turns out that they existed at that time. The SE has all of its forces including the Sith Order, the Mandalorians and Imperial Intelligences. It also has the forces that it held at any point in the game including the superweapons from the Knight storyline and the Dreadmasters, except for the Foundry.

These terms are subject to change.

The Galactic Empire would definitely have much more military power/resources, and is more unified. It controls the entire galaxy, it uses bigger capital ships with more modern tech, has faster fighters, and such.

On the flip side, the Sith Empire definitely has the force user edge, and force users are pretty important in galactic combat.

It'd really come down to what the various Sith can pull off to counteract the military advantages of the GE.

Agreed, it will fall on how well the Empire counters the threat of such a large number of Sith. The greatest threat to Sidious is that Vitiate brings all of the Sith to bear in a direct attack in order to try and kill the Emperor in direct combat. Even with his hands and Force-adepts, as well as Vader, I doubt he'd be able to survive that, especially with the Mandos showing up to provide merc support.

The greatest threat to Vitiate is that the Emperor will bring all of his military against him in a single push to take overwhelm his forces. It would be more than ridiculous if they somehow got the Death Star or the Eye into range to destroy where ever he calls home.

Neph, what's the verdict on prior intelligence? If the Galactic Empire has access to records of the New Sith Empire's tactics, troop movements, etc. then this is a literal curbstomp in their favor. I think you should exclude it.

Originally posted by Q99
The Galactic Empire [...] controls the entire galaxy,

Not according to the opening post.

Originally posted by Q99
On the flip side, the Sith Empire definitely has the force user edge, and force users are pretty important in galactic combat.

Not really. The Old Republic videos show that the rank-and-file Sith Lords are largely fodder for non-Force sensitive commandos like Jace Malcom. Regular stormtroopers may not be duplicating that, but it sets the bar pretty low. Monsters like Malgus are obviously exceptions.

IMHO superior logistics, technology, and greater numbers counteract any advantage more Sith brings.

The Sith found their empires on armies of normies for a reason.

Naturally, there are conflicts in the EU with respect to numbers, but The Ultimate Visual Guide and its updated edition released earlier this year states that the Galactic Empire was "the largest military force in galactic history."

When you consider the purported numbers of the Confederacy, that's a lot.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Not really. The Old Republic videos show that the rank-and-file Sith Lords are largely fodder for non-Force sensitive commandos like Jace Malcom. Regular stormtroopers may not be duplicating that, but it sets the bar pretty low. Monsters like Malgus are obviously exceptions.

Top non-force sensatives like Jango Fett and Jarael and such have always been able to handle low-level force users, even while those force sensatives can pull off commando raids and handle squads of stormies and the like just fine.

Top non-force sensatives are pretty rare in themselves.

Not according to the opening post.

They still are given the military forces of the full thing.

Neph, what's the verdict on prior intelligence? If the Galactic Empire has access to records of the New Sith Empire's tactics, troop movements, etc. then this is a literal curbstomp in their favor. I think you should exclude it.

Shouldn't be a major issue. The New Sith Wars trashed all kinds of records and such when it took down the holonet.

Even by the time the New Sith Wars just started (that is to say, 2k years before the GE), stuff like Revan's time had a lot of garbling of it's history, and there's more time and more events to throw fuzz on things in between.

There will be a few sources of info but probably not the type to go into details on troop movements and such.

Originally posted by Q99
Top non-force sensatives like Jango Fett and Jarael and such have always been able to handle low-level force users, even while those force sensatives can pull off commando raids and handle squads of stormies and the like just fine.

Top non-force sensatives are pretty rare in themselves.

Fair point.

Originally posted by Q99
Shouldn't be a major issue. The New Sith Wars trashed all kinds of records and such when it took down the holonet.

Even by the time the New Sith Wars just started (that is to say, 2k years before the GE), stuff like Revan's time had a lot of garbling of it's history, and there's more time and more events to throw fuzz on things in between.

There will be a few sources of info but probably not the type to go into details on troop movements and such.

Malgus kept an extensive war journal in The Book of Sith that has been perused personally by the Emperor. I doubt it is the only one in existence.

The lack of information about that conflict owes more to its recent out-of-universe creation than it does to any in-universe informational crisis. If you consult any of the sourcebooks and compendiums pre-2005, you'll find details about the prequels fairly sketchy, with phrases like "records of these events were lost, but what is known is... blah blah."

Post-2005? It's radically different. I see no reason to believe that such a tremendous conflict would be largely unknown to the Galactic Empire.

It depends really on which half of the galaxy each side gets IMO. A weakened Republic has most of the Core and thus they were able to stay in the fight.

If we split the galactic core too then I'm going with TOR here. The Emperor + Malgus + Dark Council would be too much.

Originally posted by Based
It depends really on which half of the galaxy each side gets IMO. A weakened Republic has most of the Core and thus they were able to stay in the fight.

If we split the galactic core too then I'm going with TOR here. The Emperor + Malgus + Dark Council would be too much.

According to the opening post, the Galactic Empire assumes control of the Core (it was Republic territory in the game) and the contested worlds.

Really, it's another unnecessary advantage for the Empire. Not only do they get more territory, but the Core affords them a titanic industrial advantage.

Neph, you should reconsider the terms and circumstances. The Galactic Empire has a colossal advantage in numbers, technology, industry, prior intelligence, territory, etc.

Then yes the GE would be too much. And I'm going to assume Thrawn is involved here which is another huge advantage.

I wonder what kind of resistance Joruus C'baoth could offer up, against the Sith warriors..

How would he fare against the likes of Darth Malgus, for instance?

Indeed, if the Empire has control over the entire core things may be more interesting, though consider that as DK writes it having control of the core systems didn't lead the Army of Light to crush the Brotherhood, though they were certainly more evenly matched than are the Empire and Vitiate's forces.

The GE has several thousand years of a technological edge over its opponent.

Granted, because Star Wars writers are unoriginal idiots who pretend that that isn't the case, there isn't really much of an tangible difference in TOR tech compared to GE tech, but all the same, I'd like to think that that counts for something.

The GE does not have the technological advantage some think they do. Simply because there was thousands of years between them does not mean the technology grew considering how stagnant the tech level of SW is. They still use durasteel to make starships, they still use blasters etc etc.

If we check out the SWTOR Encyclopedia to compare an Imperial Star Destroyer with a Harrower-Class Dreadnought:

Length
Harrower: 800 metres
Star Destroyer: 1600 metres

Troop Capactiy
Harrower: 7300
Star Destroyer: 9700

Starfighter/bomber Capacity
Harrower: 127 (35 shuttles)
Star Destroyer: 72 (23 shuttles)

Standard Armament:
Harrower: Turbolaser cannons, Quad-laser turrets, ion cannons, proton torpedo tubes, concussion missile launchers
Star Destroyer: ion cannons, turbolaser batteries, heavy turbolaser batteries, heavy ion cannons, tractor beams.

Overall the Star Destroyer is superior to the Harrower, but not by a considerable amount, a Harrower could still take on a Star Destroyer and win. Not even taking into account that all the player characters in TOR are ace pilot members of the Empires Fury who solo hundreds of fighters and multiple capitol ships every mission. The GE's fleet strength is further diminished by the Dread Masters, who can single-handedly destroy entire fleets as they did with the Republic.

And if we compare the troops the SE has a definite edge with not only Sith but also the Mandolarians.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The GE does not have the technological advantage some think they do. Simply because there was thousands of years between them does not mean the technology grew considering how stagnant the tech level of SW is.

Yes, I was backing you up. Other people than you brought up the tech gap idea.

Other people besides you and I don't exist.

Not when I look into your eyes. 😍

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I know. That's, that's what I just said.

He didnt post that long after you did bro he might not have seen it...