Team Wiz vs Team Force

Voldemort
Severus Snape
Albus Dumbledore
Bellatrix LeStrange
Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody

vs

Darth Sidious
Anakin Skywalker
Yoda
Obi Wan Kenobi
Mace Windu

Match takes place in the neutral ground of Times Sqaure, Manhattan.

Does HP magic whiz all over the Jedi/Sith, or do the J/S violently force themselves onto the wizards and sell the tape afterward to a child pornographer?

*This is just a test of raw power. Thus, Force Precog is not allowed here. If someone tries to loophole around that, then to make it even, the HP wizards will have the Time Turner. Horcruxes and potions are not allowed either. This is pure wand-to-force combat.

Kidding, right?

No. This is a very even match up taking place on neutral ground, not at Hogwarts where the wizards have all the resources and prep they could wish for.

Ahhh, Force percog is part of their powers, it's not an outside object like time turners, horcruxes and potions.

I think my light response here sums it up well: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t574015.html

The wizards have no chance. Those who need implements and vocal commands to make their powers work would be utterly destroyed by those whose powers work at the speed of thought and whose medium, the Force, literally surrounds and inundates every being in the vicinity.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
I think my light response here sums it up well: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t574015.html

The wizards have no chance. Those who need implements and vocal commands to make their powers work would be utterly destroyed by those whose powers work at the speed of thought and whose medium, the Force, literally surrounds and inundates every being in the vicinity.

Originally posted by Lestov16
No. This is a very even match up taking place on neutral ground, not at Hogwarts where the wizards have all the resources and prep they could wish for.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey

Force precog is the Jedi's greatest weapon. Taking that away is like de-toothing a shark.

What are the limits of their precog? It's definitely not Matrix Oracle level precog, as shown by the fact that Palpatine wasn't anticipating Luke's refusal or Vader's betrayal.

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Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lulz, no. Shitload of non verbal and non wand attacks for the wizards to use.

Mind pointing out a few? I don't recall anything in Potter where they didn't at least wield a wand. To be fair I always just thought it was okay and didn't care too much, but seems like that would have stuck out.

It's TK vs conduit-based transmutation.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What are the limits of their precog? It's definitely not Matrix Oracle level precog, as shown by the fact that Palpatine wasn't anticipating Luke's refusal or Vader's betrayal.

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Originally posted by Ascendancy
Mind pointing out a few? I don't recall anything in Potter where they didn't at least wield a wand. To be fair I always just thought it was okay and didn't care too much, but seems like that would have stuck out.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Fiendfyre for one, and when Harry inflated his evil Aunt. Too many to name.

Out back? In Australia?

Might as well be, cause they're all gonna die.

The Jedi/Sith win. They are too fast, and have battle precognition.

Wizards rape. You picked the most powerful wizards with a bunch of wide area attacks and just too much raw power. Voldemort alone would waste them with the fire serpent spell, and Dumbledore would do the same with his fire spell. And that's just one spell they could use. The Jedi/Sith will never get close enough.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
Wizards rape. You picked the most powerful wizards with a bunch of wide area attacks and just too much raw power. Voldemort alone would waste them with the fire serpent spell, and Dumbledore would do the same with his fire spell. And that's just one spell they could use. The Jedi/Sith will never get close enough.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
Wizards rape. You picked the most powerful wizards with a bunch of wide area attacks and just too much raw power. Voldemort alone would waste them with the fire serpent spell, and Dumbledore would do the same with his fire spell. And that's just one spell they could use. The Jedi/Sith will never get close enough.

Lucas may not have allowed such graphic deaths to be portrayed, but the Force is more than capable for creating such swift and to the point demises. Heck, people have had their necks snapped before they even knew what was happening, or been turned to pulp by a Force blast.

The wizards have no chance.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
How are they going to use their spells when they can't use their mouths or their bodies because the Force users have taken control?

Easy, The wizards use non verbal spells or just apparate away.

How are they going to cast a spell when a Force user ruptures every blood vessel in their brains, or crushes their hearts in their chests, etc, etc?

Lucas may not have allowed such graphic deaths to be portrayed, but the Force is more than capable for creating such swift and to the point demises. Heck, people have had their necks snapped before they even knew what was happening, or been turned to pulp by a Force blast.

The wizards have no chance.

Again, you've yet to provide any examples, as in actual proof, of the wizards in the film doing anything of consequence without wand in hand or speaking, or a combination of the two. Bottom line is that Force users, even citing films only, can act at the speed of thought. Wands can be ripped from hands, windpipes crushed, buildings torn down on their heads without a word being spoken or a gesture being made towards the target. Heck, all that I cited there is pretty much Vader only. I haven't even had to bother going into Sidious or any of what went down in Episodes I-III.

The wizards are on zero here until you provide actual examples that show otherwise.