Team Wiz vs Team Force

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, no. You use low showings for the side you want to see lose and high showings for the side you want to see win.

It's not your thread to dictate. Besides, it was explained to you and you cried.

Again, the new "wizards pwn all!" ranter accusing someone else of being a fanboy, the humor. You're not even original, dude.

I use all showings. We can go through fight by fight and I can point out precog failing time and time again. Not just at small moments but at pivotal moments.

A fanboy says precog like it's supposed to mean something. Laughable.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, no. You use low showings for the side you want to see lose and high showings for the side you want to see win.

It's not your thread to dictate. Besides, it was explained to you and you cried.

Again, the new "wizards pwn all!" ranter accusing someone else of being a fanboy, the humor. You're not even original, dude.

Everyone note this.

Noted.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
You do this every time your argument is beaten into submission.

Everyone note this.

You could give the Jedi/Sith precog and they'll still lose. I don't see how it will help. If you left Voldemort and Dumbledore out it would be more fair (though still a challenge). They're both far above the average wizard in range of abilities, and scale.

Dumbledore lit a wardrobe on fire then restored it with a thought. Didn't look at it or use his wand or anything. Voldemort and Bellatrix can freaking fly and zip all over the place while still casting spells.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
You could give the Jedi/Sith precog and they'll still lose. I don't see how it will help. If you left Voldemort and Dumbledore out it would be more fair (though still a challenge). They're both far above the average wizard in range of abilities, and scale.

Dumbledore lit a wardrobe on fire then restored it with a thought. Didn't look at it or use his wand or anything. Voldemort and Bellatrix can freaking fly and zip all over the place while still casting spells.

Robtard has conceded to me privately via pm.

Is it really so hard to understand that when two users are both in tune with the Force precog is for all intents and purposes nearly negated, where as when fighting those who are unable to touch its power or only do so negligibly it is a vast advantage

Hence, two Force users are akin to standard fighters in that they have little time to react to one another even when giving themselves over to the Force. However, in situations such as facing blaster fire, etc, they can react beyond the speed of visual or aural acuity.

As to the Jedi killed by Order 66, many reacted but most were literally surrounded and fired on from all sides. Only the most powerful users were able to sense the others being cut down and react in time. Sidious was only the most powerful Sith ever, so perhaps that explains some of why he was able to cloud there judgement.

Regardless, every "instantaneous" attack mentioned in this thread in reality either required time, speech, mannerisms, or some combination there of to pull off for the wizards. I'm sorry, but very few in the HP series were killed in singular attacks, so I don't forsee it going down that way here either. However, once you've been mind-raped or had your body crushed from the inside out it's game over.

Force for the win.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
You do this every time your argument is beaten into submission.

Everyone note this.

Now your butthurt has you stalking me in this thread too. Damn, bro.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Robtard has conceded to me privately via pm.

I'm flattered that you had to call in backup in this thread and your wizard thread. Tells me how far into the mud I've pushed you.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
You could give the Jedi/Sith precog and they'll still lose. I don't see how it will help. If you left Voldemort and Dumbledore out it would be more fair (though still a challenge). They're both far above the average wizard in range of abilities, and scale.

Dumbledore lit a wardrobe on fire then restored it with a thought. Didn't look at it or use his wand or anything. Voldemort and Bellatrix can freaking fly and zip all over the place while still casting spells.

Nope. Jedi had to be "toned down" so they could lose here. It's telling.

That was an illusion. Unless you think a massive fire creates no heat?

It was magical fire, Rob. You really know nothing of Harry Potter.

Glad you changed your sig. You had no business with anything Star Wars related going on there =p

I've been SW fanboying since 1977, Champ.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
It was magical fire, Rob. You really know nothing of Harry Potter.

Derp?

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Is it really so hard to understand that when two users are both in tune with the Force precog is for all intents and purposes nearly negated, where as when fighting those who are unable to touch its power or only do so negligibly it is a vast advantage

Hence, two Force users are akin to standard fighters in that they have little time to react to one another even when giving themselves over to the Force. However, in situations such as facing blaster fire, etc, they can react beyond the speed of visual or aural acuity.

As to the Jedi killed by Order 66, many reacted but most were literally surrounded and fired on from all sides. Only the most powerful users were able to sense the others being cut down and react in time. Sidious was only the most powerful Sith ever, so perhaps that explains some of why he was able to cloud there judgement.

Ignore the music, but Obi-wan is getting hit here with a bunch of slow-moving, predictable attacks. Rockets, the ships turrets, grapple gun, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOq5WMd5Uo

Here it's just Boba vs. a Jedi one on one, the Jedi wasn't surrounded and had plenty of time to counter-attack (Boba missed the first few shots), but he still got killed. And for what it's worth, next scene Mace gets bowled over by the beast, while Boba got out of the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzdMyqZsJ2k

Now if they can't move react quickly enough to those attacks, how do you expect them to stop Voldemort from simply flicking his wrist and sending a killing strike at them?

Regardless, every "instantaneous" attack mentioned in this thread in reality either required time, speech, mannerisms, or some combination there of to pull off for the wizards. I'm sorry, but very few in the HP series were killed in singular attacks, so I don't forsee it going down that way here either. However, once you've been mind-raped or had your body crushed from the inside out it's game over.

Force for the win.

Here is a part of the Voldemort vs. Harry duel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4w6E-hh_gvg#t=71s

Based on this, let's say it takes a fraction of a second, next to no mannerisms, and no speech for Voldemort to cast lethal spells. At 1:35 he also disapparated and reappeared behind Harry, battle-ready, in about a second. Have any Jedi shown the ability to react to that? They can't block spells and will have to stop him from even casting them, which they can't do either.

And this is only Voldemort, using "regular" spells. Snape, Bellatrix, and Dumbledore would be doing the same thing. They could all use Petrificus Totalus and suddenly Team Force can't move at all.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
Have any Jedi shown the ability to react to that?

I believe the SW argument is that Jedi/Sith have the reflexes to effortlessly dodge and reflect blaster fire from droids and stormtroopers, and with that speed, and their telekinetic ability to affect beings on a personal level (Force-choke), the J/S would essentially quickdraw the wizards and take control of them before the wizards can launch the offensive. Am I correct here?

The Jedi don't have any precog in this? Then they lose.

Underselling much?

Obi blocked 7-8 blast and then rolled away from several others, was blindsided by a rocket when he was focusing on the Slave 1 which was bringing it's guns to bear. Then was blasted when he was getting up from the missile blast. Of the H2H fight, Jango got one headbutt in after they locked in on each other, other than that, Obi was kicking his ass starting with his silly Jedi-Fu flying kick. Then he gets grappled while going for his weapon. Ends up dodging another blast while Jedi-Fu flying kicking again. All in all, it was Jango trying to get away, with the help of Bobo in the Slave one.

Coleman Trebo blocked a few shots before Jango got one in.

Mace and Jango, that ended with Mace blocking 5-6 shots and beheading Jango.

That happened to the background of 100+ to 1 odds against the Jedi , with them blocking what was likely thousands of shots in total. But yes, Force Precog is shit.

They don't have it in this thread though...

Originally posted by ares834
They don't have it in this thread though...

Wasn't arguing that they do. Was replying to the underselling of the Jedi.