Originally posted by AscendancyFiendfyre is really all the proof you need of magic that requires no wand and/or incantation. There's also apparating.
Again, you've yet to provide any examples, as in actual proof, of the wizards in the film doing anything of consequence without wand in hand or speaking, or a combination of the two.
As for spells that require no wand, there's Confundus and Oppugno. Let's say a wizard is caught in a force choke (not gonna happen because they can apparate instantly), well, if they ARE caught in a force choke, all they have to do is apparate away (and no, being force choked will NOT prevent them from apparating) and utter "Confundus" or "Oppugno." BTW, if you have no idea what these spells do, you have no business posting in this thread.
Need more examples?
Bottom line is that Force users, even citing films only, can act at the speed of thought. Wands can be ripped from hands, windpipes crushed, buildings torn down on their heads without a word being spoken or a gesture being made towards the target.All before the wizards apparate away, instantly? Nah.
Heck, all that I cited there is pretty much Vader only. I haven't even had to bother going into Sidious or any of what went down in Episodes I-III.Sidious is on fire. He's a crispy Sith.
The wizards are on zero here until you provide actual examples that show otherwise.Just did. Gimmee a bit and I'll post more, I'm at work right now.
Originally posted by quanchi112They know.
Team Voldemort stomps. This isn't close. The jedi/sith are no match for the Harry Potter's baddest.
As demonstrated in the prequels, Force users can move beyond the speed of visual acuity. You can't crisp what you can't see. Force step behind, lightning until dead, saber through the chest, Force wave to a pulp, and on and on.
You're not uttering anything when you're locked in the Force and have no knowledge of how to command it to save yourself. Your arguments are weak, period.
The wizards die time and time again.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
As demonstrated in the prequels, Force users can move beyond the speed of visual acuity. You can't crisp what you can't see. Force step behind, lightning until dead, saber through the chest, Force wave to a pulp, and on and on.
Lol, you didn't read a word I posted. Try again.
Fiendfyre, dude. Do you have any idea what Fiendfyre is and it's characteristics? It is a conscious being. It has thought. When a wizard casts it, the wizard commands it. Whatever said command is, that is the sole thought on the Fiendfyre's mind. It cannot be extinguished or altered in any way by anyone except the caster. It is hotter than normal fire and can be as large as the wizard wants and assume any shape the wizard wants.
You're not uttering anything when you're locked in the Force and have no knowledge of how to command it to save yourself.My dear sweet Lord, you never listen. The wizards can attack without uttering incantations. They can also attack without wands. Wizard gets force choked, they apparate away and cast fiendfyre. The Jedi have absolutely NO counter for this. All they can do is run for their lives. But the Fiendfyre will get them in the end. Might take some time due the the speed of the Jedi (not too long though because the Jedi can only force speed in spurts) but in the end they burn. The only time/s Fiendfyre is shown onscreen being "countered" is when Dumbledore fended it off against Voldemort. BUT.....He did so using......Survey says....MAGIC!!! And he's the ****in' Dumbledore. The Jedi have no magic. So again, Fiendfyre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jedi. All day, every day.
Your arguments are weak, period.All I see here are people arguing against the wizards without the slightest idea of how Harry Potter magic works. And before you turn that on me by saying "Derp you have no idea how the Force works", I'd bet my left nut I know far more about Star Wars than you ever will.
The wizards die time and time again.I see. "Just cuz", right?
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Originally posted by AscendancyAll the wizards listed do practically all their magic without speaking. Here's Voldemort and Dumbledore duelling without saying a word. Also Voldemort summoned the fire spell without his wand here.
Again, you've yet to provide any examples, as in actual proof, of the wizards in the film doing anything of consequence without wand in hand or speaking, or a combination of the two. Bottom line is that Force users, even citing films only, can act at the speed of thought. Wands can be ripped from hands, windpipes crushed, buildings torn down on their heads without a word being spoken or a gesture being made towards the target. Heck, all that I cited there is pretty much Vader only. I haven't even had to bother going into Sidious or any of what went down in Episodes I-III.The wizards are on zero here until you provide actual examples that show otherwise.
Dumbledore's firestorm spell, notice the precision blasts which fried the inferi on Harry while he was underwater, while leaving Harry untouched. Then the flames parted for Dumbledore without using his wand.
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Is there any proof of the Jedi having these super-fast reaction times or pre-cog? If so then how come they got owned so easily by clones in Ep 3? Mace failed to anticipate Anakin intervening before he got his hand cut off. Yoda got a suprise attack by Sidious.
Voldemort just needs to casually wave his hand to use room-clearing spells, they won't see that coming.
Originally posted by AscendancyI apologize, but I gather you are not familiar with RJ's method of, "debating"
Again, you've yet to provide any examples, as in actual proof, of the wizards in the film doing anything of consequence without wand in hand or speaking, or a combination of the two. Bottom line is that Force users, even citing films only, can act at the speed of thought. Wands can be ripped from hands, windpipes crushed, buildings torn down on their heads without a word being spoken or a gesture being made towards the target. Heck, all that I cited there is pretty much Vader only. I haven't even had to bother going into Sidious or any of what went down in Episodes I-III.The wizards are on zero here until you provide actual examples that show otherwise.
Essentially, he will never provide evidence, and just say, "lolnope" to any point you bring up.
Harry Potter and Twilight threads in this forum are avoided for this reason. Their fans are idiots, for the most part.
Originally posted by Pwned
Essentially, he will never provide evidence,
He's provided tons of evidence to support the magic victory here. It's the people arguing for the force who are dodging and saying "I could copy/paste my argument from another thread because I forgot what the force did to actually net them a win here". Yes the force has many potential applications, but the jedi/sith never show these on screen.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
As demonstrated in the prequels, Force users can move beyond the speed of visual acuity. You can't crisp what you can't see. Force step behind, lightning until dead, saber through the chest, Force wave to a pulp, and on and on.You're not uttering anything when you're locked in the Force and have no knowledge of how to command it to save yourself. Your arguments are weak, period.
The wizards die time and time again.
don't worry about it.. these dumb ass ignorant threads are old.. 2 year old's know the jedi stomp, yet old men will keep going on and on and on about how the wizards are all that and they ain't shit.. there are about at least 30 threads regarding jedi v wizards, this one here will most likely go at least 30 pages of wizard this and that
Originally posted by Lestov16
He's provided tons of evidence to support the magic victory here. It's the people arguing for the force who are dodging and saying "I could copy/paste my argument from another thread because I forgot what the force did to actually net them a win here". Yes the force has many potential applications, but the jedi/sith never show these on screen.
perhaps you should read the already existing threads regarding this very subject
Of which I was around for each. Seeing RJ scream at brick walls about Wizard superiority scarred my brain. In every thread the Force side has been gimped..... Either removing their precog, or giving the Wizards the ability to go into Hogwarts whenever they want, for whatever they want, and for however long they want.
One involved 10 pages of RJ saying they used a luck potion that makes the user, "never fail at any task" to win. It made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Dumbledore and Voldemort have spells which can quickly kill a lot of people, can be casted easily, and from a safe distance. Examples posted above. If Dumbledore uses Fiendfyre they're dead. What good is Jedi reflexes if all of Times Square is completely engulfed in flame, or they're getting bombarded with jets of fire which can incinerate instantly? I don't see how this is fanboyism.
Originally posted by Pwned
Of which I was around for each. Seeing RJ scream at brick walls about Wizard superiority scarred my brain. In every thread the Force side has been gimped..... Either removing their precog, or giving the Wizards the ability to go into Hogwarts whenever they want, for whatever they want, and for however long they want.One involved 10 pages of RJ saying they used a luck potion that makes the user, "never fail at any task" to win. It made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
i remember that shit , smdh
He was weakened and barely conscious in the scene before and probably needed a few moments to compose himself. But once he did the ring of fire inferno appeared instantly and the jets came down a few seconds after that. In this scenario he won't have any trouble casting.
The Force users will have to deal with the others anyway when the battle starts. Any "simple" spell will make them scatter and distract them.
Originally posted by RobtardThe wizards were toned down as well. The funniest part is with pre cog allowed you still have Yoda being downed with an obvious slow moving lightning blast. Then you have Palpatine sit there and let Yoda gather his bearings to force push him. Precog--laughable.
LoL. The thread starter had to gimp the Force users of one their greatest personal abilities so the Wizards could have a chance.Wizards probably still lose, but it isn't a stomp this time. Force enhanced speed and reflexes grants first attack still.
The best is when Obi tells Anakin don't jump and he jumps. Precog--what a magnificent ability.
Wizards stomp the jedi/sith. Voldemort would own any foolish user of the force stupid enough to stumble into his presence.