yeah we should hang those ****ers and hail anders breivik as a heroe in the fight against cultural marxist traitors. he really is an example for people everywhere, not just white europeans. everyone can benefit from xenophobia, I mean from defending their equally legitimate cultures by expunging race traitors.
Sure is cultural marxist elitism in here.
Originally posted by 753
do tell by which mecanisms miscigenation "destroys" all those involved. provide examples too.the fact of the matter is that very few nations on the planet are ethnically uniform and all contemporary ethnicties and nationalities were born from miscigenation, assimilation and synthesis of previous groups. all societies are dynamic, losing and acquiring new traits all the time. this process is an unavoidable fact of life and it will continue throughout history. it happens at a faster pace in so-called immigration melting pots like contemporary Brazil, USA and Canada. especially so, if beyond coexistence of multiple ethnic clusters, ethnic mergere itself is a (valued) cultural trait of the pot.
Miscigenation destroys peoples and communities by producing people who lack true identity, not totally accepted by either community that they belong to genetically. It creates mostly less healthy people due to outbreeding depressing. If practiced in a widespread manner ends the existence and therefore the heritage of certain peoples and cultures. Not everyone want to see their culture die out.
The melting pots have been nice social experiments and all. However it's clear that the melting pot is a failed idea. So many diverse cultures living within very close bounds creates distrust and strife among communities that are competing for work and resources in a very small area. The tension between competing cultures has lead to a lot of violence that seems to only be curbed by running a city like a police state. It also, especially in Brazil, creates a caste system in which those who are of mixed race are at the bottom and members of the groups who are non-mixed rank higher up.
Recently you even have groups of hispanics in California who have been ethnically cleansing their neighborhoods of blacks through both intimidation and mass murder. Many many gangs right now are racially based, and they end up at war with the other race based gangs.
This next section is directed both at 753 and Symmetric Chaos.
I'm going to assume that you're both white, well educated, and well off(financially). I say that because your position denotes someone who thinks like an individual rather than someone who thinks like a part of a group. You should understand that most people don't think like this and if you do it's because you're not in a struggle for survival and most likely never have been. So you falsely believe that everyone thinks, or would benefit from thinking, like you do. Instead they think about what is best for their group, they understand when their group prospers or fails, they care about their group. I'm sure you've never thought even once what would benefit your fellow whites.
I however being hispanic think a lot about the situation of hispanics here in the U.S., and in some ways it needs a lot of improvement, in other ways it's great.
I spend a good bit of time volunteering at a center for "underprivileged youth" which just means they are poor. Anyway most of the kids there are black and hispanic because we are in a city. Of course my main focus is to help out hispanic kids but it doesn't hurt to help others. It's this sort of community outreach that helps people. When members of their own group are there to support and mentor them. No black kid wants to see "whitey" come there to try to help out when that person won't even understand them. Neither do hispanic kids come to depend on a black mentor. They will look for someone who they can relate to, who knows their culture to help them.
TL : DR
Cultural marxist whites have no idea what real life is like. They've never lived in the projects, and neither have they been white living in a mostly black or hispanic area. You can comment from your comfortable middle class lifestyle about some utopian ideals that will never exist. What's sickening is when someone has no concern for the survival of their group, no matter what race a person is, that person and that group deserve self determination.
Originally posted by Cyner
Sure is cultural marxist elitism in here.Miscigenation destroys peoples and communities by producing people who lack true identity, not totally accepted by either community that they belong to genetically. It creates mostly less healthy people due to outbreeding depressing. If practiced in a widespread manner ends the existence and therefore the heritage of certain peoples and cultures. Not everyone want to see their culture die out.
The melting pots have been nice social experiments and all. However it's clear that the melting pot is a failed idea. So many diverse cultures living within very close bounds creates distrust and strife among communities that are competing for work and resources in a very small area. The tension between competing cultures has lead to a lot of violence that seems to only be curbed by running a city like a police state. It also, especially in Brazil, creates a caste system in which those who are of mixed race are at the bottom and members of the groups who are non-mixed rank higher up.
Recently you even have groups of hispanics in California who have been ethnically cleansing their neighborhoods of blacks through both intimidation and mass murder. Many many gangs right now are racially based, and they end up at war with the other race based gangs.
This next section is directed both at 753 and Symmetric Chaos.
I'm going to assume that you're both white, well educated, and well off(financially). I say that because your position denotes someone who thinks like an individual rather than someone who thinks like a part of a group. You should understand that most people don't think like this and if you do it's because you're not in a struggle for survival and most likely never have been. So you falsely believe that everyone thinks, or would benefit from thinking, like you do. Instead they think about what is best for their group, they understand when their group prospers or fails, they care about their group. I'm sure you've never thought even once what would benefit your fellow whites.
I however being hispanic think a lot about the situation of hispanics here in the U.S., and in some ways it needs a lot of improvement, in other ways it's great.
I spend a good bit of time volunteering at a center for "underprivileged youth" which just means they are poor. Anyway most of the kids there are black and hispanic because we are in a city. Of course my main focus is to help out hispanic kids but it doesn't hurt to help others. It's this sort of community outreach that helps people. When members of their own group are there to support and mentor them. No black kid wants to see "whitey" come there to try to help out when that person won't even understand them. Neither do hispanic kids come to depend on a black mentor. They will look for someone who they can relate to, who knows their culture to help them.
TL : DR
Cultural marxist whites have no idea what real life is like. They've never lived in the projects, and neither have they been white living in a mostly black or hispanic area. You can comment from your comfortable middle class lifestyle about some utopian ideals that will never exist. What's sickening is when someone has no concern for the survival of their group, no matter what race a person is, that person and that group deserve self determination.
Mathematically the Singularity could remove all human suffering throughout the globe. Even in third-world countries. In fact that is the very definition of a Type I Civilization on the Kardashev Scale, that and having access to 100% of the earth's energy and environmental processes even the damned weather. In that case not multiculturalism, but universal-culturalism will be established, we'll all be one high class society evolving into the future, literally. Death, disease, sickness, all cured by technology's ability to transform, upgrade us. Whatever you want to call it, it's pretty gawdy, ominous, and tearing at the soul to most people, the notion would be that is. Not to mention unbelievable, technological advancement is radically transforming however. So many people are unaware of that, but eventually it will be impossible for us to be unaware, we won't understand the world because of technology, and there's a good chance it could scare the majority of people into a Jihaad to end Jihaads, the final holy war, some nuclear armageddon. Who knows.
BACK ON TOPIC:
You're not talking about a third-world country or the damned dark ages, you're talking about a group of misguided, family torn, trapped, adolescents, young men, and gangsters, trapped by their past or lifestyle, who's families fell through the cracks of the Urban world without any proper guidance. Most of them, if they're not serious robbers or killers, and even then there are correctional paths to be taken, any of them can achieve middle class status...however most don't for obvious reasons, outsiders, us middle-class people, just aren't who they are and who they have lived their lives with, who they've been through hell with. It's a kind of snobby I can completely understand on an emotional level, but also, a new life, a new family, that is something that I believe is the right reason to come out of there. You can do anything you set your mind to, this isn't the dark ages, we're not nearly as trapped by oppression....especially not in America, history and adjustments to our policies have seen to that....but a lot of other countries haven't yet.
I know and have worked with people from the ghetto. I even worked in a ghetto, and even droped someone off in the ghetto to save him a bus trip. That's why all the sudden I know where you're coming from with this.
and even droped someone off in the ghetto to save him a bus trip.
Originally posted by Dolos
Don't judge me. Wait 40 to 50 years and I may not be perceived as such a wack job for talking like that.
On topic:
I'm as racist as the next guy who doesn't consciously hold any prejudices. Not very, but no one's perfect. I can be racially insensitive with my humour, but what I consider to be actual racism is ignorance, prejudice, or hatred. I avoid those things.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Just because technology advances exponentially doesn't mean people do. It's a nice fantasy but it's unrealistic and we'll have probably boinked the world irrepairably before such a thing is even feasible. Humans are dickbags, nicer toasters won't make us stop being dickbags.
It's called oblivion or paradise. Some say we'll opt for oblivion through stagnation, a degrading environment, and then the resulting economic turmoil from overpopulation and then finally war as in oblivion, or some natural disaster we are no longer equipped for. Scientists theorize this is likely the reality for most Alien life in the cosmos, why would we be any different? I think it's more likely that the conversion to beings who'd not be dick bags by genetic disposition, or perhaps directly through genetic alteration in future generations will activate a primal need to rebel to said conversion for most of the population, a jihaad of ignorance, a holy war to end holy wars.
The less likely option is that we'll accept a paradise.
Dolos!
The problem is that technology and a globalized world has emerged at a ridiculous pace. Human evolution cannot be expected to keep up with that. What's 150 years of innovation in the face of millions of years of evolution? Humans are still very naturally tribal and to change that may take a very very long time. Even in a few thousand years, if humans are evolving naturally there will still be a tribal mindsets are the dominant trait. Being tribalistic is how the human race has survived to this point. To change that will take a heck of a lot.
This is one reason I prefer Battletech lore to other science fiction settings. It's a very realistic look at humanity venturing out into the galaxy and technology in the future.
Originally posted by Cyner
Dolos!The problem is that technology and a globalized world has emerged at a ridiculous pace. Human evolution cannot be expected to keep up with that. What's 150 years of innovation in the face of millions of years of evolution? Humans are still very naturally tribal and to change that may take a very very long time. Even in a few thousand years, if humans are evolving naturally there will still be a tribal mindsets are the dominant trait. Being tribalistic is how the human race has survived to this point. To change that will take a heck of a lot.
This is one reason I prefer Battletech lore to other science fiction settings. It's a very realistic look at humanity venturing out into the galaxy and technology in the future.
Tribalism is for dumb animals, humans can't rely on that to excuse to be even a little racist. Humans are individual thinkers and the human brain is actually pretty miraculous when you consider potential memory capacity and ability to select/change habits and personality traits.
All of our known human ancestors had access to this miracle mind and some evidence is that throughout time intellectuals were always certain of our scientific origin and were creative and grandiose in their theoretical assessment. Their words were considered facts one day and proven wrong the next but that creativity still tells us our past and future.
Science and religion aside it's a humans responsibilty to understand the huge differences between racism and prejudice, so they can reject one and utilize the other positively. Thinking that you'll like someone before you meet them can be called prejudiced. Racism is hatred of race pure and simple, it's all or nothin! To even be considered a racist in any way you'd have to COMMIT an ACT of racism. Telling someone to their face that you're a racist towards their race counts but I'd be willing to bet most people who consider themselves "a little" racist have never even done anything that bad.
More people today are sexist than racist, another extreme stance that is less discussed because sex itself thrives on taboo acts.
Originally posted by The MISTERSeth Godin disagrees.
Tribalism is for dumb animals
Originally posted by Cyner
Sure is cultural marxist elitism in here.Miscigenation destroys peoples and communities
Unfortunately, I think you understate the effects of systemic racism on modern society. Miscegenation isn't the problem. The problem is that, historically, one group said "We are superior to you" and behaved accordingly.
Originally posted by StyleTime
In the immediate sense, specific communities need specific solutions. I'd agree there.Unfortunately, I think you understate the effects of systemic racism on modern society. Miscegenation isn't the problem. The problem is that, historically, one group said "We are superior to you" and behaved accordingly.
No I definitely understand the need for very specific answers to very specific problems.
These communities should be free from both good and bad intentions of outside communities. That's the point of self determination, if that community won't work within itself to right the problems it has, there is nothing any outside community, regardless of good intentions can do to help.
I think you overstate the amount of actual racism that goes on in modern society. There will always be some prejudice but the sort of oppression that existed years ago, just doesn't exist in western civilization anymore. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a white area? Definitely. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a black area? Absolutely. However no one is "keeping me down" and to think otherwise is to not be aware of current US culture.
Originally posted by Cyner
No I definitely understand the need for very specific answers to very specific problems.These communities should be free from both good and bad intentions of outside communities. That's the point of self determination, if that community won't work within itself to right the problems it has, there is nothing any outside community, regardless of good intentions can do to help.
I think you overstate the amount of actual racism that goes on in modern society. There will always be some prejudice but the sort of oppression that existed years ago, just doesn't exist in western civilization anymore. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a white area? Definitely. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a black area? Absolutely. However no one is "keeping me down" and to think otherwise is to not be aware of current US culture.
You're speaking real talk Cyner. I'm also willing to bet that your assessment of the people questioning you is 100% on. It's always the same types; they have no damn clue. This politically correct atmosphere that we live in is looney tunes. Speaking the truth, a truth that almost everyone knows, is unacceptable by these standards and people are too scared, too unsure, and too confused to agree with it.
Originally posted by Raisen
You're speaking real talk Cyner. I'm also willing to bet that your assessment of the people questioning you is 100% on. It's always the same types; they have no damn clue. This politically correct atmosphere that we live in is looney tunes. Speaking the truth, a truth that almost everyone knows, is unacceptable by these standards and people are too scared, too unsure, and too confused to agree with it.
It's fine that people have a different opinion and I hope I'm not coming off as an *******. I feel though that people should see it from my perspective, someone who's lived it and been there.
Have you ever had a boss who didn't know what your job was like and it showed? That boss, whether it was intentional or not, was frequently making your job harder and making you have to work less efficiently just because he or she had no idea what your work was like. That's how I feel about people and politicians who are making policy decisions or giving "help" that is a direct hindrance to actually making a permanent change for those who need it. It comes from good intentions mixed with misinformation.
Originally posted by Cyner
I think you overstate the amount of actual racism that goes on in modern society. There will always be some prejudice but the sort of oppression that existed years ago, just doesn't exist in western civilization anymore. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a white area? Definitely. Have I been pulled over by police for being hispanic in a black area? Absolutely. However no one is "keeping me down" and to think otherwise is to not be aware of current US culture.
I mention the reservations to say that I'm not just speaking in the abstract: there are still tangible remnants of racist social structures. The people privileged enough not to experience them are often unaware of how fortunate they are. Of course, that is the nature of privilege. These underprivileged groups rarely get voices in larger society, but these problems do get highlighted by people who have “been there.” It's a central theme in works from people like Sherman Alexie or Junot Diaz, for example.
Originally posted by Cyner
It's fine that people have a different opinion and I hope I'm not coming off as an *******. I feel though that people should see it from my perspective, someone who's lived it and been there.
I think we're just addressing two different "levels" of the same problem.
Originally posted by Cyner
[B]Sure is cultural marxist elitism in here.
Miscigenation destroys peoples and communities by producing people who lack true identity, not totally accepted by either community that they belong to genetically. It creates mostly less healthy people due to outbreeding depressing. If practiced in a widespread manner ends the existence and therefore the heritage of certain peoples and cultures. Not everyone want to see their culture die out.
miscigentaion does not deny anyone its identity. individuals identify and feel a sense of pertinence to several groupings and communities all the time. you probably view yourself as a hispanic and an american without any incompatible conflict between those two identities. the same goes for pertinence to class, religious group, sex, ethnicity and nationality.
lol at a sense of genetic identity. indentification with culture (language, religion, customs), political group and nationality is often a much more prevalent determinant of group identity than phenotypical similarity to a population's average phenotype.
let's examine your ethnicity: hispanic. the product of miscigenation between spaniards and amerindians. the language that identifies your cultural background is the language of the colonizer. are you devoid of identity, halfbreed? obvisouly not. miscigenation created the group you would one day identify with. all group identity is dynamic because all social groups are dynamic, they splinter and merge all the time. it is unavoidable. this is not tantamount to subjugation of one group by another. all your desire for purity leads to is intergroup violence.
the widespread destruction of amerindian culture did not result from miscigenation either as your line of argumentation would imply, but from violent subjugation, which is quite the opposite of multicultural projects.
LMAO at you claiming outbreeding produces less healthy offspring among humans. this is just sad. find me published studies on exogamic depression on the populational scale among humans. records on endogamic depression abound on the other hand. btw how is your health as a product of miscigenation?
distrust and stryfe among communities? for every example you quote, I can show another of coexistence. the fact that intergroup conflict exists does not invalidate the existence of multiethnic states.
The melting pots have been nice social experiments and all. However it's clear that the melting pot is a failed idea. So many diverse cultures living within very close bounds creates distrust and strife among communities that are competing for work and resources in a very small area. The tension between competing cultures has lead to a lot of violence that seems to only be curbed by running a city like a police state. It also, especially in Brazil, creates a caste system in which those who are of mixed race are at the bottom and members of the groups who are non-mixed rank higher up.
although social inequality is severe (albeit diminishing) in Brazil, it cannot, nor could it since slavery, be described as a caste system. people of mixed race arent at the bottom either. you see, while whites (as understood in brazil) concentrate more economic power than blacks and amerindians, brazilian whites carry on average 33% alleles of indigenous and 27% alleles of african origin on the maternal bloodline. brazilian blacks carry 50% european alleles on the paternal lineage on average. moreover, signficant large portions of the population identified as white wouldnt be considered white in the usa, because of the one drop rule. during the times of slaverey the children of europeans and africans were free and considered "white" for political and social status purposes. this alones debunks your bullshit.
the reason for skin color correlation with wealth today is the historical perpetuation of wealth and power inequality between the original stock populations: blacks were slaves, duh. misgenation is not a casue of social stratification in Brazil. at all.
and the root cause is multiculturalism, not xenophobia. good to know.
Recently you even have groups of hispanics in California who have been ethnically cleansing their neighborhoods of blacks through both intimidation and mass murder. Many many gangs right now are racially based, and they end up at war with the other race based gangs.
This next section is directed both at 753 and Symmetric Chaos.I'm going to assume that you're both white, well educated, and well off(financially). I say that because your position denotes someone who thinks like an individual rather than someone who thinks like a part of a group. You should understand that most people don't think like this and if you do it's because you're not in a struggle for survival and most likely never have been. So you falsely believe that everyone thinks, or would benefit from thinking, like you do. Instead they think about what is best for their group, they understand when their group prospers or fails, they care about their group. I'm sure you've never thought even once what would benefit your fellow whites.
I however being hispanic think a lot about the situation of hispanics here in the U.S., and in some ways it needs a lot of improvement, in other ways it's great.
I spend a good bit of time volunteering at a center for "underprivileged youth" which just means they are poor. Anyway most of the kids there are black and hispanic because we are in a city. Of course my main focus is to help out hispanic kids but it doesn't hurt to help others. It's this sort of community outreach that helps people. When members of their own group are there to support and mentor them. No black kid wants to see "whitey" come there to try to help out when that person won't even understand them. Neither do hispanic kids come to depend on a black mentor. They will look for someone who they can relate to, who knows their culture to help them.
TL : DRTL : DR
Cultural marxist whites have no idea what real life is like. They've never lived in the projects, and neither have they been white living in a mostly black or hispanic area. You can comment from your comfortable middle class lifestyle about some utopian ideals that will never exist. What's sickening is when someone has no concern for the survival of their group, no matter what race a person is, that person and that group deserve self determination.
no matter how much you claim you're all for every race doing their thing, the racial purity ideals you spouse are the very root of racial clensing.