Originally posted by Slaanesh
didn't Abraxas kill multiple Galactus from across the multiverse??if that is true Abraxas will win this..Chaos King is universal at best..
As to the thread, there really is no right answer. Both characters make little sense and their powers are vague. If I had to choose one, I'd choose Abraxas for the win.
He had Roma panicking, he had Franklin Richards panicking, and it seemed Multi-Eternity himself was upset that he was freed. Comparing this to CK, none of the abstracts took notice of him (except Death who fled, makes NO SENSE but whatever) and even Eternity said he didn't care what happened with CK.
Originally posted by zopzop
Believe it or not, CK is/was multiversal and last year's Thor Annual proved it. Is it stupid? Yes. Does it make any sense? NO. But it is what it is. Marvel is a mess..
no he's not..he is not more powerful than Eternity..and Eternity is universal at best..he didn't even show multiversal level of power..
Originally posted by zopzop
Believe it or not, CK is/was multiversal and last year's Thor Annual proved it. Is it stupid? Yes. Does it make any sense? NO. But it is what it is. Marvel is a mess.As to the thread, there really is no right answer. Both characters make little sense and their powers are vague. If I had to choose one, I'd choose Abraxas for the win.
He had Roma panicking, he had Franklin Richards panicking, and it seemed Multi-Eternity himself was upset that he was freed. Comparing this to CK, none of the abstracts took notice of him (except Death who fled, makes NO SENSE but whatever) and even Eternity said he didn't care what happened with CK.
It could be another case of the universe as in Eternity being treated as a pseudo multiverse of sorts because each Eternity across the multiverse proper has a variety of dimensions connected to them specifically. For example there are alternate Asgards, Limbos(Belasco/Magiks one) for each Eternity/Universe:
Its because of universes being pseudo multiverses and yet just referred to as multiverse on panel that readers get confused. But above was one of the few instances on panel that ive seen it actually explained by Marvel.
So Chaos King consumed most of the pseudo multiverse/universe not the proper multiverse, that is why he was referred to as the opposite of the universal embodiment Eternity and why CK wa ssatiated by being shunted into an artificial universe.
Abraxas is overrated.
On panel his only notable on panel feats were eroding holes through dimensional walls as he travelled through them and he reached out across the multiverse to attack alternate Reed Richards simultaneously.
His slayin of alternate Galactuses was off panel and through unknown means therefore says nothing conclusive. Especially when you consider how when 616 Galactus confronted him there was no fear and he just tore the UN from Abraxas' possession like he was nothing.
The scale of Abraxas' destruction and disruption was greaterbecause he was going from universe to universe eroding walls and causing trouble which is why he had Roma panicking bnecause his schemes werent restricted to one dimension so he was more her territory, but in terms of power displayed, Chaos King was clearly greater.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It could be another case of the universe as in Eternity being treated as a pseudo multiverse of sorts because each Eternity across the multiverse proper has a variety of dimensions connected to them specifically. For example there are alternate Asgards, Limbos(Belasco/Magiks one) for each Eternity/Universe:Its because of universes being pseudo multiverses and yet just referred to as multiverse on panel that readers get confused. But above was one of the few instances on panel that ive seen it actually explained by Marvel.
So Chaos King consumed most of the pseudo multiverse/universe not the proper multiverse, that is why he was referred to as the opposite of the universal embodiment Eternity and why CK wa ssatiated by being shunted into an artificial [B]universe
.Abraxas is overrated.
On panel his only notable on panel feats were eroding holes through dimensional walls as he travelled through them and he reached out across the multiverse to attack alternate Reed Richards simultaneously.
His slayin of alternate Galactuses was off panel and through unknown means therefore says nothing conclusive. Especially when you consider how when 616 Galactus confronted him there was no fear and he just tore the UN from Abraxas' possession like he was nothing.
The scale of Abraxas' destruction and disruption was greaterbecause he was going from universe to universe eroding walls and causing trouble which is why he had Roma panicking bnecause his schemes werent restricted to one dimension so he was more her territory, but in terms of power displayed, Chaos King was clearly greater. [/B]
Also in Abraxas defense, CK was a sh|tty character and CW was garbage "writing" 😛
Originally posted by zopzop
But in Abraxas' defense, I give you the petrified Franklin Richards. This little bastard is basically God and he was crapping his pants at the thought of Abraxas and his arrival.Also in Abraxas defense, CK was a sh|tty character and CW was garbage "writing" 😛
Lol. I thought he was good as a god, loved his interactions with Hercules, but i think when he was retconned into a cosmic being he became shit.
As for Franklin, hes a kid, with little experience of his powers. Just because hes so powerful hes able to pull off great feats, but hes not a fearless, battle trained warrior, hes a powerful kid whose powers have been artificially bound for most of his life. That explains why Franklin would be scared of him.
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt could be another case of the universe as in Eternity being
treated as a pseudo multiverse of sorts because each Eternity
across the multiverse proper has a variety of dimensions connected
to them specifically. For example there are alternate Asgards,
Limbos(Belasco/Magiks one) for each Eternity/Universe:Its because of universes being pseudo multiverses and yet just
referred to as multiverse on panel that readers get confused. But
above was one of the few instances on panel that ive seen it
actually explained by Marvel.
Those scans are from the Hulk tie-ins to SSII and it has nothing to do with "Marvel"
corroborating your claim.
That's just the Beyonder traveling the Multiverse.
The one and only Multiverse at the time.
It's Shooter telling us that instead of our reality just being a universe,
it's actually a Multiverse and "our" Universe is just one of an endless many.
The Beyonder not only passed by the token primary mainstream "other verses" of the time,
like Asgard and Meph's domain, (more notably known as pocket-realms/universes)
but he also passed by UniverseS located outside 616
like the "Microverse" (located in a separate Universe created by the MakerS)
and the Negative Zone which is where the "CrossRoads of Infinity" is,
a Nexus of Realities!
Shooter had Beyonder cruise the major areas of the time of the one and only Multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAbraxas is overrated.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm[B]On panel his only notable on panel feats were eroding holes
through dimensional walls as he travelled through them
Never heard of that before.
The Abraxas I know was merging UniverseS as he passed by them,
and this fold would collapse said UniverseS.
That's his job as a Concept, to destroy Realities by his very existence,
since well ... that's exactly what he personifies.
Originally posted by GalacticStormand he reached out across the multiverse to attack alternate Reed Richards simultaneously.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHis slayin of alternate Galactuses was off panel and through
unknown means therefore says nothing conclusive.
We all know Abraxas only acquired the UN
so that no one would use it on him,
being his only weakness and all in the story,
but we also know he never intended on using it,
and evidently never needed it either to do what he was born to do.
Abraxas, never, at any time,
used any said items I mentioned in the story, or any other type I missed,
to pwn the many characters he did,
therefore there is NO reason at all why we should speculate
as to how Abraxas killed all those Alternate Galactuses.
Simple. He killed them under his own power,
like he displayed his every action in the story. (his own power)
The walk of death: The kiss of death: The sign of death: ... etc, etc.
Originally posted by GalacticStormEspecially when
you consider how when 616 Galactus confronted him there was no
fear and he just tore the UN from Abraxas' possession like he was nothing.
Abraxas who shifted the infinite Multiverse out of whack amongst other things,
is nothing,
but this regular alternate Nova is "something?"
Or, does the story have to end, and pis was thrown in to do just that?
Like Reed dialoguing a couple of last heroic sentences with the UN in his hand,
no more than 50, maybe 100 yards or so away from Abraxas,
lol,
while Abraxas blinded and WTFPWND Uatu from so far away in the Omniverse,
he needed a beacon to find 616.
Yet, Reed, a nobody next to Uatu (not "toaa' Reed ... real Reed)
can take his time before clicking the button, haha,
come on bro, Abraxas could've handled that situation in so many forms,
but how about exactly how he killed all of Reed's Alternates across the Omniverse,
and simultaneously torturing 616 Reed with a thought,
yet ... not Now! ... No no, now he has to job and stare at Reed
dumbfounded while Reed explains shit before using the UN.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAbraxasin terms of power displayed,
Chaos King was clearly greater.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such thing as "pseudo multiverses" and never have been.
There's only Pocket-universes, Universes, Multiverses, Megaverses, and the Marvel Omniverse.Those scans are from the Hulk tie-ins to SSII and it has nothing to do with "Marvel"
corroborating your claim.That's just the Beyonder traveling the Multiverse.
The one and only Multiverse at the time.
It's Shooter telling us that instead of our reality just being a universe,
it's actually a Multiverse and "our" Universe is just one of an endless many.The Beyonder not only passed by the token primary mainstream "other verses" of the time,
like Asgard and Meph's domain, (more notably known as pocket-realms/universes)
but he also passed by UniverseS located [b]outside 616
like the "Microverse" (located in a separate Universe created by the MakerS)
and the Negative Zone which is where the "CrossRoads of Infinity" is,
a Nexus of Realities!Shooter had Beyonder cruise the major areas of the time of the one and only Multiverse.
😂
"eroding holes?" 😐
Never heard of that before.
The Abraxas I know was merging UniverseS as he passed by them,
and this fold would collapse said UniverseS.That's his job as a Concept, to destroy Realities by his very existence,
since well ... that's exactly what he personifies.Actually he made a gesture,
and killed every Alternate Reed Richards there is,
while also enjoying watching 616 Reed die slowly,
yes ... all simultaneously.... hmm, Abraxas doesn't and never used outside power sources,
weapons, artifacts or anything of any kind
to do what he was created to do.We all know Abraxas only acquired the UN
so that no one would use it on him,
being his only weakness and all in the story,
but we also know he never intended on using it,
and evidently never needed it either to do what he was born to do.Abraxas, never, at any time,
used any said items I mentioned in the story, or any other type I missed,
to pwn the many characters he did,
therefore there is NO reason at all why we should speculate
as to how Abraxas killed all those Alternate Galactuses.Simple. He killed them under his own power,
like he displayed his every action in the story. (his own power)The walk of death: The kiss of death: The sign of death: ... etc, etc.
Not this fearless, 616 Galactus?
Abraxas who shifted the infinite Multiverse out of whack amongst other things,
is nothing,
but this regular alternate Nova is "something?"Or, does the story have to end, and pis was thrown in to do just that?
Like Reed dialoguing a couple of last heroic sentences with the UN in his hand,
no more than 50, maybe 100 yards or so away from Abraxas,
lol,
while Abraxas blinded and WTFPWND Uatu from so far away in the Omniverse,
he needed a beacon to find 616.Yet, Reed, a nobody next to Uatu (not "toaa' Reed ... real Reed)
can take his time before clicking the button, haha,
come on bro, Abraxas could've handled that situation in so many forms,
but how about exactly how he killed all of Reed's Alternates across the Omniverse,
and simultaneously torturing 616 Reed with a thought,
yet ... not Now! ... No no, now he has to job and stare at Reed
dumbfounded while Reed explains shit before using the UN.I disagree. [/B]
Master, sorry for being off-topic, but I have a question. Apparently the CK was revealed to be merely an aspect of Oblivion, who is infinitely more powerful than CK. Does this mean Oblivion is stronger than 616 Eternity, since Eternity was merely an equal to CK?
^^ How was this "Nothingness" defeated? ... How was Destruction defeated?
Originally posted by The MerchantMaster, sorry for being off-topic, but I have a question. Apparently
the CK was revealed to be merely an aspect of Oblivion, who is
infinitely more powerful than CK. Does this mean Oblivion is stronger
than 616 Eternity, since Eternity was merely an equal to CK?
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are equals, always have been.
On Panel, Oblivion himself was stalemated by Infinity.
On Panel artistically depicted action >>> On Panel hyperbolized unproven drivel.
CK has done nothing to prove he can scratch Eternity's toe,
regardless of what that drunken writer made that Eternity say.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ How was this "Nothingness" defeated? ... How was Destruction defeated?I don't like Chaos War.
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are equals, always have been.
On Panel, Oblivion himself was stalemated by Infinity.
On Panel artistically depicted action >>> On Panel hyperbolized unproven drivel.
CK has done nothing to prove he can scratch Eternity's toe,
regardless of what that drunken writer made that Eternity say.
It was Oblivion + Maelstrom with his Kinetic Manipulation Powers + the Quantum Bands + Anomaly's power + Cosmic Awareness vs Infinity and her Avatar Quasar (the only thing Quasar had was Infinity's own power and Cosmic Awareness) in Oblivion's own realm and Oblivion could still only manage to stalemate Infinity.
Originally posted by zopzop
+1It was Oblivion + Maelstrom with his Kinetic Manipulation Powers + the
Quantum Bands + Anomaly's power + Cosmic Awareness vs Infinity
and her Avatar Quasar (the only thing Quasar had was Infinity's own
power and Cosmic Awareness) in Oblivion's own realm and Oblivion
could still only manage to stalemate Infinity.
It also makes the whole Maelstrom somehow surviving or coming
back from that newb IG wielding Thanos blast even more laughable
than the suggestion itself of him being able to survive or worse yet
withstand the effect to begin with.
Truly nonsensical ... then again, the comedy took place in the Quasar tie-in,
so ... whatever.
