Nihilus (right after Katarr) Vs. Vitiate (right after Nathema)

Started by Rookwood12 pages

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As far as anyone knows, was the cabal of Sith assassins in employ to Nihilus & Sion present at the Battle of Malachor V or exposed by it?

If not, I may be persuaded to disregard Kreia's words on the matter; Plagueis remarks similarly in his titular novel that, in order for a Sith Lord to use Sith lightning, he or she must be on the receiving end of it as a means of "taking in" the energy.

Spoiler:
One of the more stupid passages in the book.

Living on Malachor V, after the MSG was used to hold the planet back together, may have been what caused those Sith to gain a very weak version of that power.

They lived among ruins and echoes of death afterward.

And within that place of death in the Force - the same place that cut Surik off, and spawned the black-hole maelstrom of Dark side energy that was Nihilus - experiencing the after-effects in that very same place, would have given the Sith Assassin's that weak version of that ability.

Perhaps. The concept sounds like a load of hooey, but whatevz.

Does anyone know if Vitiate can conceal his presence in the Force?

Like how Jessiah is trying to act like he's interested in the on-topic and not all the homosex post.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Like how Jessiah is trying to act like he's interested in the on-topic and not all the homosex post.

And what is Jessiah a reference from?

The topic is very interesting to me. 😄

I'm just having fun.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Like how Jessiah is trying to act like he's interested in the on-topic and not all the homosex post.

Why can't I be interested in both, foo'?

Ok, time to dispell some myths.

This quote dismisses Nihilus' ability to consume planets as a rumor:
"Darth Nihilus was known as the Lord of Hunger and was known for his ability to literally consume the Force energy of his victims, which was known to sustain his own life energies. It was rumored that he could consume the Force energy of an entire planet." - Complete Encyclopedia, Nihilus, Darth

The same source makes it apparent that Nihilus used some sort of superweapon to obliterate planets or simply used old fashioned orbit bombardment:
"In the meantime, Nihilus led his Sith forces from his flagship, Ravager, drawing more and more power from worlds that he blasted into ruin".

For one thing Force drain cannot be used to "blast" things "into ruin", it is not a destructive power, it just sucks Force out of living beings leaving non-living objects completely in tact. Even in comics we see buildings being destroyed and surface ravaged. Either it was some weapon or a ritual-based Force power similar to Force Storm but not Force drain.

The only thing immune from Nihilus's drain, Canonically, is a Force Wound.

Nowhere it is canonically evidenced. The only time we ever see Nihilus using Force drain is on Meetra and the very same time he fails. And absolutely nowhere it says that she is immune because she is Force wound. Most people made logical conclusion that she resisted because she is wound, however, there is no proof that it was the case.

Moreover, within the same game there is proof that Exile is not immune to drain. Kreia uses her supposed to be "lesser" Force drain on her on Dantooine in one of the story branches and it works fine.

"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."
―Kreia

This quote cannot be used as proof that it cannot be taught.
Plagueis said pretty much the same thing about lightning:
"In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself."
Numerous evidence shows that Plagueis' statement is wrong and that's why these kind of claims about techniques cannot be relied on.

Moreover, we have Krayt, who discovered Nihilus' holocron and learned this ability.

and Vitiate who is not a Force Wound like Nihilus - is screwed here.

You can't know it. Do you even realize that Force wound is just a phylosophical interpretation given by in-universe characters? No outside source whatsoever states Exile or Nihilus to be Force wound.

Vitiate experienced far larger Force disturbance, which resulted from his ritual. So, if Force wound thing is real, Vitiate supposed to be one of the most potent ones.

I've discovered Ahrael to have some..special..tendencies, that would normally lead me to consider him as, "slow", in most circles.

But he's too damn likable. He's like Forrest Gump that way.

He may be a Mongoloid - but he's got a heart of gold.

Look at this retard go.

Originally posted by Arhael
Ok, time to dispell some myths.

This quote dismisses Nihilus' ability to consume planets as a rumor:
"Darth Nihilus was known as the Lord of Hunger and was known for his ability to literally consume the Force energy of his victims, which was known to sustain his own life energies. It was rumored that he could consume the Force energy of an entire planet." - Complete Encyclopedia, Nihilus, Darth

The same source makes it apparent that Nihilus used some sort of superweapon to obliterate planets or simply used old fashioned orbit bombardment:
"In the meantime, Nihilus led his Sith forces from his flagship, Ravager, drawing more and more power from worlds that he [b]blasted into ruin
".[/B]

Intriguing...

Still not comparable to Vitiate.

...What?

Originally posted by jadams3928
Look at this retard go.

He's a higher-grade Retard than you, too. 😉

You're Retard v0.1 - and he's Retard v0.9

You still live in your mommy's bed - and in contrast, Ahrael, though slow, has
his own apartment - with assisted-living from a non-profit group.

But that's a big step up, from suckling your mother's breast. 😄

Ladies & gents, if we must jab and mock, let us do so in conjunction with an argument.

Otherwise it's just trolling and a complete waste of time.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Intriguing...

Yeah, Katarr pretty much demonstrated what he was capable of.

No, what's intriguing is the argument Arhael provided from the encyclopedia.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, what's intriguing is the argument Arhael provided from the encyclopedia.

I looked into it; it would seem that from the wording, Nihilus's ships would follow Nihilus, as he stood aboard the Ravager, feeding off of worlds.

Early on in another debate, we examined the ruins of Katarr, as a possibility that Nihilus's technique may have had other destructive effects.

Then, I believe, Lord_Lucien, offered the suggestion that with every world that Nihilus drained to death, almost instantaneously, that world's machines and vehicles would break down and crash without their living operators - resulting in added destruction and ruin.

So it was all Nihilus, and his fleet was just along for the ride (No pun intended)

(Remember, he uses the Force to drag them around 😛 )

Originally posted by Rookwood
I looked into it; it would seem that from the wording, Nihilus's ships would follow Nihilus, as he stood aboard the Ravager, feeding off of worlds.

Early on in another debate, we examined the ruins of Katarr, as a possibility that Nihilus's technique may have had other destructive effects.

Then, I believe, Lord_Lucien, offered the suggestion that with every world that Nihilus drained to death, almost instantaneously, that world's machines and vehicles would break down and crash without their living operators - resulting in added destruction and ruin.

So it was all Nihilus, and his fleet was just along for the ride (No pun intended)

(Remember, he uses the Force to drag them around 😛 )

Perhaps, but I'm curious to see what Arhael has to say on the matter.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter anyway.

Nihilus's attack is unblockable and his durability is Planet-Level.

The only way Vitiate would have a chance, is if he attacked Nihilus with a fleet of ships, at an extreme distance.

Otherwise, he's easily dead, here. There's nothing he can do.

I doubt his durability was "planet-level" if he fell in combat to a Jedi and Mandalorian.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I doubt his durability was "planet-level" if he fell in combat to a Jedi and Mandalorian.

Remember that when Nihilus fed on the black hole that was Meetra Surik - all of his massively cosmic-level Force reserves were exhausted onto her.

Beforehand, the Nihilus that held the collective Force energy of entire worlds, was said by Visas to be on a scale so great that he viewed things in terms of planets and stars and that he was too monstrously powerful to be fought in combat.

And indeed, if you attempt to fight him before having the Exile drain him; he slaughters your team easily.

Afterward though, when Nihilus had been drained - was only with a minute fraction of his original power - and was only the sum of a suit of armor and robes.

Then, he could be destroyed conventionally.

Other than that, he holds within him enough Force power to survive a planet being ripped into pieces.