Rogue Vs Superboy Prime

On their own? Never.

But the OP specifically said that they could stack their powers. Hulk is a match for Superman (and so, could beat the crap out of most other DC bricks in a fist fight).

Surfer can match Hulk (sometimes).

So stacking their strength (and ignoring everything else)? And then add Shaw's ability on top? And then add Darwin's 'I can be as strong as I need to'?

You used his teleporting away during WWH as proof that he has limits. Which is wrong, it only shows that that is what his mutation deemed to be the safest course of action to take.

Subsequent to that showing, he has now shown he can take on more offensive powers, and can actually choose his powers.

Once again I say she goes down. I dont see the surfer, or anyone on SBP level.

Rogue wins imo.

this just seems tailored to kick primes ass.. combo of powers stack well and just present a problem for a guy who just likes to pour intense amounts of force on whatever pisses him off.
wish prime was a smarter fighter and wouldnt just go into this swinging and bitching about stuff. if so i could back him in this. sadly i can not.

Rogue will have to work for the win though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So stacking their strength (and ignoring everything else)? And then add Shaw's ability on top? And then add Darwin's 'I can be as strong as I need to'?

It depends on whether you add them geometrically or arithmetically. The OP just says that they stack, not that they multiply each other, so the result isn't actually anything more impressive than, let's say, a Ion boosted Daxamite. Stacking powers does not mean multiplying Dragonball Fusion style.

(And even if it did, Prime would retcon her 😈 )

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Rogue will have to work for the win though.

true enough.
i guess thats what makes this not qualify as spite?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre missing the key factor, this Rogues ability to use any of her abilities in any number or combination to bolster each other.

@Bentley

Originally posted by Bentley
It depends on whether you add them geometrically or arithmetically. The OP just says that they stack, not that they multiply each other, so the result isn't actually anything more impressive than, let's say, a Ion boosted Daxamite. Stacking powers does not mean multiplying Dragonball Fusion style.

(And even if it did, Prime would retcon her 😈 )

Rogue will retcon him back, seeing as she would already have touched him and thus, absorbed his retcon ability 😈

And Sodomy At sucks.

Originally posted by carver9
@Bentley

Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rogue will retcon him back, seeing as she would already have touched him and thus, absorbed his retcon ability 😈

zomfg

Originally posted by Bentley
Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.

Agreed. I guess it depends on which way you stack them. It all really hinges on the Hulk being used as a 'chassis', if you will.

So if you take Shaw's absorption cap, but replace him with the Hulk, then the cap is removed.

If you take Surfer's strength, then add the Hulk's amping ability (I know SS can amp as well, but no one does it better than Hulk).

Essentially, this is the Hulk with flight, energy absorption, energy blasts, telepathy, superspeed, intelligence (stack cosmic awareness on top of Vision's analytical mind on top of Hulk's raw cunning) etc. And the ability to drain your opponents with a touch (Rogue) and the ability to evolve whatever you need on the fly. It really is stacked against SBP, and I'm not sure what he can do to win. Haven't seen a way for him to win from other posters, YET (I'm sure I will be proved wrong).

Originally posted by Bentley
Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.

x 1,000,000,000

Except he admits that Shaw's cap has been removed.

And if we want to go down the parameters route...

What is the Hulk's strength limit? Presumably its his anger level.

What is Shaw's strength limit? His frail human body.

Marry the two together, and you get an amalgam whose strength level does not depend on anger, and has no known upper bound.

What is the Surfer's speed limit? His energy levels, i.e. the amount of PC energy he can absorb and use.

What is the Runner's speed limit? Not known.

So far, we now have an amalgam who has no strength and speed limit :-p.

What is Darwin's mutation limit? Previously, it was his inability to choose a suitable power - so stick him in a dark room, and he could manifest superhearing like Daredevil, or supervision - he couldn't choose. Now, after the encounter with Hela, it doesn't seem to be present anymore.

So we now have a limitlessly strong, fast amalgam who can choose an ability he wants to manifest.

This doesn't even go into the amalgam's durability/HF levels. The Hulk has a HF proportionally better than his durability; the reverse is true for people like SS. MArry them together, and you have a super durable being who can now heal any damage you do manage to deal to him.

Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

Infinity fallacy is not a valid argument, maybe we should bring the upper levels of what Shaw has actually redirected and stop assuming it's infinite, the strain will be tanked by Hulk's physiology, but that doesn't make the amount Shaw can take "infinite", it will just allow the amalgam to use the top levels without dying as Shaw would.

Shaws powers in tandem with Hulk are not going to amp Rogue beyond Prime level strength.
It's only 2 ways to look at this:
Either all amps amp to the point of nearly abstract level (which would be premeditated spite) or....
It's like Bently explained.
It only seems logical to go with the later.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

Why would he be wasted by HV? Because under his thick skin, he would still only be human.

Imagine if under that skin was the Surfer, who can travel through stars (or at least, can tolerate much higher temps than a mere human). Then under that Surfer layer, was a HF from the Hulk which is capable of allowing him to survive in the depths of Sakaar.

Another way of looking at it, is that Darwin's ability coupled with Runner/Surfer's perception and reaction speeds, enable him to quickly react and evolve a defence against Hv after eveolving a defence against freeze breath.

Infinity fallacy is not a valid argument, maybe we should bring the upper levels of what Shaw has actually redirected and stop assuming it's infinite, the strain will be tanked by Hulk's physiology, but that doesn't make the amount Shaw can take "infinite", it will just allow the amalgam to use the top levels without dying as Shaw would.

And btw, I think this was premed spite :-p

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

When he was in hel, Hela's dominion over the realm prevented teleportation and so when she used her death touch on him, his powers instantly made him into the only thing that could survive it: another death god. as a death god he had instinctual knowledge of her weakness, the removal of her cloak. he did not, in fact absorb her powers, she was normal after the encounter and he has remained a magical death god since, as well.

darwin's power seals the deal here because even if its counter-offensive capacities are limited by the easiset way out MO of his mutation, its deffensive capacities are still enough to make sure rogue will survive and with the rest of that power set, she can stay in the fight.

considering the stacking of his powers with the hulk's HF, SS's PC, and rogue's power drain. Prime will gow down here.

Really another death god? Is she even that powerful? She cant even beat thor.

seriously, not sure why the no-limits fallacy is being invoked here. we don't have to assume no-limits to reasonably conclude the powers can be pushed, if allowed to be done in concert, to prime's level. we're talking about a one-level jump, in essence. i'm not even basing it off that anyway--does anyone even know what runner alone is capable of....?

vision's power is redundant--runner can become intangible at will as well. factor in hulk's healing and HIS strength can match prime's imo, and eventually prime will be worn down. even if you don't think hulk can match or exceed his strength, she CAN touch him with runner's speed (this is a guy who effortlessly trashed ss) and possibly drain or absorb his powers. i still see no way (even forgetting shaw) that prime can logically win this battle.