Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was not aware of the unintentional horcrux and the fact Draco disarmed Albus but was later disarmed by Harry because how would he know that. He isn't all knowing.

No, Albus didn't make him flee. The arrival of the Ministry did. We saw he didn't leave the area until the backup had arrived.

Vague terms aren't a good way to debate. What makes a good debater is someone who formulates a cohesive argument supported by specific examples of evidence not vague terms you can't prove.

Even more to his tunnel vision. I'm not trying to attack saying he's stupid, I'm saying he lacks the ability to see valuable opportunities and such, aka tunnel vision.

Until you can prove differently and defeat he evidence I gave he made him flee. We saw he left the battle minutes before the ministry arrived.

You called direct statements from the website I showed saying Dumbleodore was the most powerful wizard of the time, showing the contrast between him and Voldemort, statements made by Hermione who speaks for Steve Kloves the screenwriter, and statements made by Harry, and Voldemorts apparent fear of Dumbleodre vague statements and actions. So you obviously don't know what vague means, and haven't refuted this. Until you can, you lose.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Even more to his tunnel vision. I'm not trying to attack saying he's stupid, I'm saying he lacks the ability to see valuable opportunities and such, aka tunnel vision.

Until you can prove differently and defeat he evidence I gave he made him flee. We saw he left the battle minutes before the ministry arrived.

You called direct statements from the website I showed saying Dumbleodore was the most powerful wizard of the time, showing the contrast between him and Voldemort, statements made by Hermione who speaks for Steve Kloves the screenwriter, and statements made by Harry, and Voldemorts apparent fear of Dumbleodre vague statements and actions. So you obviously don't know what vague means, and haven't refuted this. Until you can, you lose.

Leaving means the area you idiot.

Hermione was a small child and she wasn't knowledgeable enough. Show me the statements. Go ahead, *****.

You can't prove your case hence you lose. I win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just told you he wasn't aware of everything that occurred so where the **** do you get tunnel vision ?

Leaving means the area you idiot.

Hermione was a small child and she wasn't knowledgeable enough. Show me the statements. Go ahead, *****.

You can't prove your case hence you lose. I win.

That he looked over very important details like that. For a brilliant guy which he is he overlooked those very important details.

No you said leave the area. You should have said left the battle, to confess your loss.

Are you serious? Hermione being a small child means nothing, since she was probably the smartest kid there, constantly doing research, and reading, and exploring.

Here is the exchange

Steve: Yeah, I mean, I like writing all three, but I've always loved writing Hermione. Because, I just, one, she's a tremendous character for a lot of reasons for a writer, which also is she can carry exposition in a wonderful way because you just assume she read it in a book. If I need to tell the audience something...

JKR: Absolutely right, I find that all the time in the book, if you need to tell your readers something just put it in her. There are only two characters that you can put it convincingly into their dialogue. One is Hermione, the other is Dumbledore. In both cases you accept, it's plausible that they have, well Dumbledore knows pretty much everything anyway, but that Hermione has read it somewhere. So, she's handy.

Steve: Yeah, she's really handy. And she's also just, I think, just tremendously entertaining. There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm

Here is the whole interview

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That he looked over very important details like that. For a brilliant guy which he is he overlooked those very important details.

No you said leave the area. You should have said left the battle, to confess your loss.

Are you serious? Hermione being a small child means nothing, since she was probably the smartest kid there, constantly doing research, and reading, and exploring.

Here is the exchange

Steve: Yeah, I mean, I like writing all three, but I've always loved writing Hermione. Because, I just, one, she's a tremendous character for a lot of reasons for a writer, which also is she can carry exposition in a wonderful way because you just assume she read it in a book. If I need to tell the audience something...

JKR: Absolutely right, I find that all the time in the book, if you need to tell your readers something just put it in her. There are only two characters that you can put it convincingly into their dialogue. One is Hermione, the other is Dumbledore. In both cases you accept, it's plausible that they have, well Dumbledore knows pretty much everything anyway, but that Hermione has read it somewhere. So, she's handy.

Steve: Yeah, she's really handy. And she's also just, I think, just tremendously entertaining. There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm

Here is the whole interview

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I have always said said the area i.e. when the backup arrived. He didn't leave he possessed Harry first. Albus stood by and watched in horror.

She didn't have the knowledge and was never all knowing. Was she smart; sure but that doesn't make her the foremost expert on wizards magical powers.

She didn't read anything about the comparisons of Voldemort and Albus. Albus also didn't know everything in a literal sense. He fatally wounded himself by a trap set up by Volddmort. Whoops. He also was wrong to ignore Harry in the Order of the Phoenix. Hermione with regards to reading a spell or so is pretty handy I agree but her opinion isn't all knowing either. Quit taking out of context the interview and post something that states Albus is more powerful than Voldemort, troll.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have the Intel to know those details. No one knows everything you idiot. He wasn't there.

I have always said said the area i.e. when the backup arrived. He didn't leave he possessed Harry first. Albus stood by and watched in horror.

She didn't have the knowledge and was never all knowing. Was she smart; sure but that doesn't make her the foremost expert on wizards magical powers.

She didn't read anything about the comparisons of Voldemort and Albus. Albus also didn't know everything in a literal sense. He fatally wounded himself by a trap set up by Volddmort. Whoops. He also was wrong to ignore Harry in the Order of the Phoenix. Hermione with regards to reading a spell or so is pretty handy I agree but her opinion isn't all knowing either. Quit taking out of context the interview and post something that states Albus is more powerful than Voldemort, troll.

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What do you mean Intel? This isn't CIS. Dumbledore appears to.

Which is leaving the battle in other words fleeing, which means he fled from Dumbledore.

The statement clearly says your wrong, and she apparently had enough knowledge to make the statmbest net she did in SS. You don't have to be an expert to have enough brains to know Dumbleodre is superior and understand Steve Kloves and Jk Rowling's statements.m

Again she apparently had enough knowledge to make that judgement, and how do you know she didn't know? It's plenty of history of the First Wizarding World, and all that she reads it's entirely possible she read up on Voldemort, what he did, who he was, his powers, armies, all of that. Actually Rowling explains why Dumbledore ignored him, so yea. Why does it have to be all knowing? What context am I ignoring. I've clearly showed you direct statements, that you haven't refuted so with that I accept your concession, until you can refute my arguments.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
What do you mean Intel? This isn't CIS. Dumbledore appears to.

Which is leaving the battle in other words fleeing, which means he fled from Dumbledore.

The statement clearly says your wrong, and she apparently had enough knowledge to make the statmbest net she did in SS. You don't have to be an expert to have enough brains to know Dumbleodre is superior and understand Steve Kloves and Jk Rowling's statements.m

Again she apparently had enough knowledge to make that judgement, and how do you know she didn't know? It's plenty of history of the First Wizarding World, and all that she reads it's entirely possible she read up on Voldemort, what he did, who he was, his powers, armies, all of that. Actually Rowling explains why Dumbledore ignored him, so yea. Why does it have to be all knowing? What context am I ignoring. I've clearly showed you direct statements, that you haven't refuted so with that I accept your concession, until you can refute my arguments.

No, since he was still there he didn't flee anything. Know what the word flee actually means you flea. No, that isn't proof of anything and you didn't prove anything.

Albus didn't even know everything Voldemort did so how would the rest of the world ? What in the hell is wrong with your brain ? She didn't have the information on Voldemort but if you believe a young kids words are facts. I want to hear her words that Albus is greater than Voldemort.

You claimed the creator said Albus was greater and I have yet to see You back your claim. 💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
The information.

No, since he was still there he didn't flee anything. Know what the word flee actually means you flea. No, that isn't proof of anything and you didn't prove anything.

Albus didn't even know everything Voldemort did so how would the rest of the world ? What in the hell is wrong with your brain ? She didn't have the information on Voldemort but if you believe a young kids words are facts. I want to hear her words that Albus is greater than Voldemort.

You claimed the creator said Albus was greater and I have yet to see You back your claim. 💃

That's oversight on his part, which is tunnel vision.

He fled the battle. You twist words, which means nothing.

Well actaully Dumbledore had a pretty firm understanding of pretty much everything. How do you know she didn't have the facts? Steve Kloves uses her to say whatever he needs to say.

Actually that was KT, ask him. I've given all the proof that shows Dumbleodre is greater.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That's oversight on his part, which is tunnel vision.

He fled the battle. You twist words, which means nothing.

Well actaully Dumbledore had a pretty firm understanding of pretty much everything. How do you know she didn't have the facts? Steve Kloves uses her to say whatever he needs to say.

Actually that was KT, ask him. I've given all the proof that shows Dumbleodre is greater.

No, he didn't. He attacked Harry. Albus was powerless to stop him.

At what point does she Albus is greater than Voldemort ?

You do not have any proof. So you break the rules and still cannot back your claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't oversight that is called not having all the information.

No, he didn't. He attacked Harry. Albus was powerless to stop him.

At what point does she Albus is greater than Voldemort ?

You do not have any proof. So you break the rules and still cannot back your claims.

Not having all the information is what you call it when your biased. He simply just had oversight to matters he either didn't care about or felt like it was beneath his time to learn.

Irrelevant. Point is he left the battle with Dumbledore. Answer one single question. Did Voldemort stop fighting Dumbledore once he possesd Harry? It's a Yes or No question.

Again ask KT, that was his claim. I've proved he's greater through feats, accolades, his battle with Voldemort, and other source materials

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not having all the information is what you call it when your biased. He simply just had oversight to matters he either didn't care about or felt like it was beneath his time to learn.

Irrelevant. Point is he left the battle with Dumbledore. Answer one single question. Did Voldemort stop fighting Dumbledore once he possesd Harry? It's a Yes or No question.

Again ask KT, that was his claim. I've proved he's greater through feats, accolades, his battle with Voldemort, and other source materials

Concession accepted.

He didn't need to battle Albus any more nor was he there to kill him.

Films only.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just made that up. You do this all the time in a debate when you make a claim you can't back.

He didn't need to battle Albus any more nor was he there to kill him.

Films only.

You're an idiot.

Not sure what I made up. If he knew about how wands worked he would have lived, not by fault.

Your running out of excuses. He could have left the battle from the start if he didn't need to fight Dumbledore. He fought ,and if he thought he could have won, then he would have stayed and finished it, since he was according to you more powerful. If he were more powerful why leave, and when you leave have a look of fear?

I've already expa,inked it to you.

Yes you are.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not sure what I made up. If he knew about how wands worked he would have lived, not by fault.

Your running out of excuses. He could have left the battle from the start if he didn't need to fight Dumbledore. He fought ,and if he thought he could have won, then he would have stayed and finished it, since he was according to you more powerful. If he were more powerful why leave, and when you leave have a look of fear?

I've already expa,inked it to you.

Yes you are.

He surmised he could kill him very quickly and then he realized his time was shorter he attacked Harry who has always been his ultimate goal. Albus wasn't that important. He didn't have a look of fear. Albus did have the look of fear when Voldemort possessed Harry.

You never gave me any of the creators stating Albus was more powerful. I've heard that claim for months and you don't have it. Pathetic. You and Kt are two clods trying to postulate false claims to make up for your lack of debating prowess.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did know but he didn't know Harry disarmed Draco and that Draco disarmed Albus. How can't you follow along ?

He surmised he could kill him very quickly and then he realized his time was shorter he attacked Harry who has always been his ultimate goal. Albus wasn't that important. He didn't have a look of fear. Albus did have the look of fear when Voldemort possessed Harry.

You never gave me any of the creators stating Albus was more powerful. I've heard that claim for months and you don't have it. Pathetic. You and Kt are two clods trying to postulate false claims to make up for your lack of debating prowess.

The question is why can't you stop being biased. Just accept he had tunnel vision.

Your not helping Voldemorts case. Thought he could take on Dumbleodre and a victor would be determined in less than an hour? It took Dumbledore three hours plus to defeat Grindlewald. Two wizards of such close power, there is no possible way it would be over in less than an hour, that's retarded. Everything else aboit your response is also retarded.

Again that was KT's claim, I gave feats, accolades, the whole shabang to prove Dumbledore would win.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The question is why can't you stop being biased. Just accept he had tunnel vision.

Your not helping Voldemorts case. Thought he could take on Dumbleodre and a victor would be determined in less than an hour? It took Dumbledore three hours plus to defeat Grindlewald. Two wizards of such close power, there is no possible way it would be over in less than an hour, that's retarded. Everything else aboit your response is also retarded.

Again that was KT's claim, I gave feats, accolades, the whole shabang to prove Dumbledore would win.

That's those two wizards. We never saw a duel take over five minutes so that is the exception to the rule but was never explained in the films anyways.

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You didn't give any evidence to back your claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't prove it in fact I proved he just didn't have the information because he wasn't there, dummy.

That's those two wizards. We never saw a duel take over five minutes so that is the exception to the rule but was never explained in the films anyways.

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You didn't give any evidence to back your claims.

Not knowing how wands work seems like extreme tunnel vision. Even Harry figured it out at the end of the story. Dumbledore knew a lot of this stuff. This isn't NCIS or any of these criminal investigator shows.

Those two wizards which are actually comparable to these two. Dumbledore in his prime is slightly less powerful than when he fought Grindlewald due to age. Dumbledore in his prime is stated to be slightly more skilled than Grindlewald during that time. Voldemort as of his prime is on par or slightly less powerful than out of prime Dumbledore. That there shows that the three of them are very closely matched, with Voldemort being in that incredibly small gap between Dumbledore and Grindlewlald, so no it's not an exception to the rule.

Feats, accolades, interviews, and the movies, and Voldemort himself are all evidence I have used, and I've used them to back Dumbledores case.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not knowing how wands work seems like extreme tunnel vision. Even Harry figured it out at the end of the story. Dumbledore knew a lot of this stuff. This isn't NCIS or any of these criminal investigator shows.

Those two wizards which are actually comparable to these two. Dumbledore in his prime is slightly less powerful than when he fought Grindlewald due to age. Dumbledore in his prime is stated to be slightly more skilled than Grindlewald during that time. Voldemort as of his prime is on par or slightly less powerful than out of prime Dumbledore. That there shows that the three of them are very closely matched, with Voldemort being in that incredibly small gap between Dumbledore and Grindlewlald, so no it's not an exception to the rule.

Feats, accolades, interviews, and the movies, and Voldemort himself are all evidence I have used, and I've used them to back Dumbledores case.

All baseless speculation and irrelevant a since his duel and the duration was never mentioned in the films.

Nothing you said stated Albus was more powerful than Tom. You have nothing concrete and are a terrible debater. Your mind is kind of slow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Harry was there so he had the information. He saw Draco disarm Albus so Snape killing Albus wouldn't make him the rightful owner of the wand, you're an idiot.

All baseless speculation and irrelevant a since his duel and the duration was never mentioned in the films.

Nothing you said stated Albus was more powerful than Tom. You have nothing concrete and are a terrible debater. Your mind is kind of slow.

Harry didn't know about wands at that point, he just thought Draco disarmed Dumbledore and that's it. It wasn't till alter he figured out how wands worked, Dumbledore knew from the beginning how it all worked, Voldemort apparently found it not helpful to know, whcih si what cost him his life. Tell me why don't you think he learned his lesson from the battle of the seven potters?

Actaully no if you knew anything about Harry Potter. Can you not count? You can just watch the films and see how long Dumbledore's battle with Voldemort was, and their is other information that tells us exactly how long Dumbledore vs Grindlewald was. 3 HOURS. So again it was foolish of Voldemort to even consider the possibility, a winner would be determined in less than 10 minutes when what has been described as the greatest battle between wizards of all time took 3 hours. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_between_Albus_Dumbledore_and_Gellert_Grindelwald Here's a link to the battle

How many times do I have to say it. That was KT's claim. You likewise have found nothing that says Voldemort is more powerful that actaully counts and is worth something. Your special features is basically worthless as explained in previous post.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Harry didn't know about wands at that point, he just thought Draco disarmed Dumbledore and that's it. It wasn't till alter he figured out how wands worked, Dumbledore knew from the beginning how it all worked, Voldemort apparently found it not helpful to know, whcih si what cost him his life. Tell me why don't you think he learned his lesson from the battle of the seven potters?

Actaully no if you knew anything about Harry Potter. Can you not count? You can just watch the films and see how long Dumbledore's battle with Voldemort was, and their is other information that tells us exactly how long Dumbledore vs Grindlewald was. 3 HOURS. So again it was foolish of Voldemort to even consider the possibility, a winner would be determined in less than 10 minutes when what has been described as the greatest battle between wizards of all time took 3 hours. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_between_Albus_Dumbledore_and_Gellert_Grindelwald Here's a link to the battle

How many times do I have to say it. That was KT's claim. You likewise have found nothing that says Voldemort is more powerful that actaully counts and is worth something. Your special features is basically worthless as explained in previous post.

Nothing you said makes any sense. For shame.

Nothing in the films stated that. Films only, sport.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by juggerman
Voldemort doesn't have a nose. How could Albus singe the hairs from a non existent nose?

Who teamed up on Voldemort to make him flee? Post the scene of people actually teaming up on Tommy and making him run away please

The ministry arrived. They weren't allied with Voldemort. Think, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Harry found out later and he had the knowledge in deathly Hallows part two, dork.

Nothing you said makes any sense. For shame.

Nothing in the films stated that. Films only, sport.

Concession accepted.

It's funny a 17 year old had that information but Voldemort didn't, yet he had Ollivander captive. Funny.

Cause your an idiot who can't understand simple things. I'll make it simple for you.

Dumbledore in his prime>Grindlewald This battle was 3 hours long.

Voldemort>Grindlewald.

Therefore Voldemlrt must be in the incredibly small gap between Dumbledore and Grindlewald. Get it now?

Not sure how I conceded, since you haven't proven a single thing while I,have proved my side.