Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bane's awesomeness came solely from the script and cinematography. Hardy brought nothing (and I do mean nothing) to the table in comparison with Ledger and the Joker. But then that's what happens when an actor's primary assets are concealed behind a mask and post-production vocal distortion. One might as well credit David Prowse with Vader's enduring reputation as the greatest of all film villains.That said, Bane was considerably "more dangerous" than the Joker, who was only a threat insofar as Batman allowed him to be. But I understand why people would think otherwise, between the revelation of Talia and the fact that they set Batman up to be well past his prime.
I agree that Bane's awesomeness is due almost entirely to outside forces, which means that you really can't blame Tom Hardy for whatever faults Bane had...or compare him to Ledger's Joker.
Hardy is a good actor. He brings a ton of energy to the table. He was amazeballs in Bronson. F.uck, even in Inception, where he barely gets anything script wise, he adds a certain amount of charisma and implied depth. He did the best he could with Bane. What he did with his eyeballs and posture alone is enough for me to give the man an ovation.
Originally posted by MindsetHathaway embodied Selina Kyle on the screen. Very underrated performance.
Hardy was the only good thing about the movie.
Originally posted by The_Tempestfacepalm
Really, they might as well have hired someone Dwayne Johnson's size.
Originally posted by The_TempestMore bullshit.
Levitt brought great acting to this film, which is something that short of Ledger, Murphy, and Neeson, this franchise has sorely lacked.
Originally posted by The_TempestHardly a comparison, as we can actually see and hear Hardy. Above all other things(soundtrack, script, cinematography), Hardy should be given the most credit for the menace depicted in the film. Mannerisms, the eyes, physicality, etc. all supersede the other things.
But then that's what happens when an actor's primary assets are concealed behind a mask and post-production vocal distortion. One might as well credit David Prowse with Vader's enduring reputation as the greatest of all film villains.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hardy brought nothing (and I do mean nothing) to the table in comparison with Ledger and the Joker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bane was a bigger challenge to Batman than the Joker was.
Batman almost got himself arrested. The Joker threatened to blow up a hospital just to keep Batman around.
Bane would have done anything to let Batman go. What the Joker did to Harvey Dent kept Batman out of the game longer than what Bane did to him, throwing him in a dungeon for a year isn't as bad as Brucey going into seclusion for 8.
That was just the Joker's sadistic instinct to nurture the beast of the Two Face persona. By very instinct the Joker is a more dangerous and unpredictable villain, and is a greater threat than Bane alone.
Remember Bane and Talia were a duo, Bane only comprised half of the plan, and Talia was the true mastermind behind Gotham's reckoning. She was the League of Shadows. Bane ended up a mere instrument like Two Face. A victim. Although Talia wasn't nearly as crazy or ate up as the Joker, who proved more potentially dangerous than Talia or her father Ducard, and the original Ras Al Guhl.
Altogether the League of Shadows was an empire, that was proved to give Batman quite a bit more trouble than the Joker alone, two films versus one, but the Joker was his number one single villain in the trilogy.
Batman almost got arrested in TDK, his identity literally aware to the same man that Bane/Talia used to uncover his true identity in TDKR. They forged his fingerprints using Catwoman, and so that they could bankrupt Bruce by spending all his money, forcing him to give up Wayne Enterprises to Talia, giving Bane access to Batman's armory. The Joker threatened to blow up a hospital just to keep this man's mouth shut and to keep Batman around.
Bane/Talia exploited Batman's true identity. If the Joker had exploited it, he could have mind-****ed Bruce Wayne in ways Bane could never dream. The Joker's imagination in torment probably far exceeds Bane's capacity, that stems from his depraved psychological perceptivity.
Originally posted by DolosAgain, Joker was easily captured. He might have been more of a psychological blow to Batman but in terms of a bigger challenge it's Bane hands down. He broke him in combat and could have killed him. He made Batman rediscover himself. This was the final movie meaning end boss. Joker isn't anywhere near Bane in terms of bigger challenge.
Batman almost got himself arrested. The Joker threatened to blow up a hospital just to keep Batman around.Bane would have done anything to let Batman go. What the Joker did to Harvey Dent kept Batman out of the game longer than what Bane did to him, throwing him in a dungeon for a year isn't as bad as Brucey going into seclusion for 8.
That was just the Joker's sadistic instinct to nurture the beast of the Two Face persona. By very instinct the Joker is a more dangerous and unpredictable villain, and is a greater threat than Bane alone.
Remember Bane and Talia were a duo, Bane only comprised half of the plan, and Talia was the true mastermind behind Gotham's reckoning. She was the League of Shadows. Bane ended up a mere instrument like Two Face. A victim. Although Talia wasn't nearly as crazy or ate up as the Joker, who proved more potentially dangerous than Talia or her father Ducard, and the original Ras Al Guhl.
Altogether the League of Shadows was an empire, that was proved to give Batman quite a bit more trouble than the Joker alone, two films versus one, but the Joker was his number one single villain in the trilogy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Joker was easily captured. He might have been more of a psychological blow to Batman but in terms of a bigger challenge it's Bane hands down. He broke him in combat and could have killed him. He made Batman rediscover himself. This was the final movie meaning end boss. Joker isn't anywhere near Bane in terms of bigger challenge.
Joker also beat Batman in combat and could have killed him. 😉
Originally posted by NephthysMultiple times. He could have killed him when he was trying to commit suicide by batpod by lighting him up with his machine gun. He could have killed him after he crashed if Batman didn't get saved by Gordon. He could have killed him when he had Batman pinned under the metal grate at the end instead of monologing and taking batrangs to the face. Thing is, unlike Bane, he didn't want to kill Batman any of those times. Bane made a real effort to in the end, but he got overcome and saved by Talia.
Joker also beat Batman in combat and could have killed him. 😉
Joker was nowhere near 'easily captured'. Batman went through absolute shit and sacrificed almost everything trying to capture him. He didn't have any kind of happy ending or win in that movie. It was a loss for Batman that sent him into an 8 year long depression/seclusion.
Bane beat him once in a fight. The second time, he got his butt kicked, saved by Talia, and blown away by Catwoman. Beating Wayne once isn't that big of a deal. Every villain in this series won their first encounter. Scarecrow poisoned Batman, and lit him on fire causing him to have to jump into a multiple story drop which sent him into coma for a week. Ras' Al Ghul won when he came back 'resurrected' and burned down Wayne Manor nearly killing him. Alfred saved Bruce in both those situations.
Every villain had minor wins at first and then got their butts handed to them the second time around. Joker was the only one to win the battle and the war. In the short amount of time he was free, Joker single-handedly became kingpin of the entire Gotham criminal underworld and beat the Batman. His entire convoluted plan that went completely smooth the entire movie showed how much of a genius he was.
Bane got his power handed to him after being saved from the pit at the request of Talia. The entire plan 'marshal law' plan in TDKR was her plan. She gave Bane access to the nuke and Batman's armory. He just functioned as a decoy from her so she could infiltrate. People are completely over-hyping Bane. He wasn't the real challenge that movie. Talia was. He was a great villain, but he didn't compare to Ras' or Joker. They were in another tier.
"The entire plan 'marshal law' plan in TDKR was her plan."
We don't know that. In fact, we don't know hardly anything about the relationships between Bane and the LOS, Talia and the LOS, or between Bane and Talia themselves. For all we know, Talia was just a figurehead and Bane masterminded everything. Or maybe they rule jointly.
^Then most men must be retarded.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Joker was easily captured. He might have been more of a psychological blow to Batman but in terms of a bigger challenge it's Bane hands down. He broke him in combat and could have killed him. He made Batman rediscover himself. This was the final movie meaning end boss. Joker isn't anywhere near Bane in terms of bigger challenge.
I hate the way you rationalize these kinds of things. Batman was half the man he was first of all. Second, it's not about who's faster a stronger, or who you go out against - Bane thought that what he did broke Batman. He just pissed him off. The Joker dealt in morality, he made Batman fear becoming immoral and sooner or later the one you fear most is the one who can get you. Why? Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is useful because, once you have tamed it, you have a heightened sense of things. Too much fear cannot be tamed. Everyone looses their mind, eventually.
That is the Joker's philosophy. If you analyze the different stories of the Joker in comics, combine that with the movies, fear may have shaped the Joker in the first place. Though, his unique mental state[s] give him ways around it, much like Scarecrow after he was sprayed with his own fear toxin, except all the time. If you could see his mind, it would be total chaos, he has no true state of mind, his choices in life are totally unpredictable and without any understandable causality.
Yet he is very very intelligent, much like Talia, Ras Al Guhl, and Bruce Wayne himself - especially in his direct perceptivity and according manipulations of the psychologies of the general community he induces panic into...for him it is an unrivaled instinct in comicdom. It's his intelligence and his insanity that makes him Batman's #1 most dangerous villain.