Nate trying to lift Hulk is way more plausible than him doing any silly exotic shit...
Like reversing gravity and sending him flying into space like the Great Beasts:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/57/xman04019.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7726/xman04020.jpg
I don't know why I'm so fixated on that post, but the incredible stupidity is probably the reason.
It remains to be seen if his telepathy would work on Hulk, as he was more powerful than any Earth telepath at the time.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a fight not a contest. Spidey was allowed to move before the event happened. Nate is not allowed to move or use any powers before the bell, because this is a fight.
Originally posted by h1a8I don't see how Nate will survive an attack from WBH. Nate will go down instantly.
The same way he survived hits from Modt.
Can WBH eventually breach his shields? Sure
Can WBH one-shoot them? nopes.
Goddamn, right...
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a fight not a contest. Spidey was allowed to move before the event happened. Nate is not allowed to move or use any powers before the bell, because this is a fight.
Maybe I read your intentions wrong. So before the bell rings, neither side does anything. No omnidirectional energy, no thunderclaps, no exotic Nate stuff.
The bell rings. Immediately, you have Hulk thunderclapping. But strangely, Nate does nothing? My rebuttal to your next post will show you why I think you're wrong here.
Originally posted by h1a8
The reaction to Northstar/Aurora was decent. But that wasn't anything exotic (like a portal).
Nate will not even slow WBH down in the slightest. The thunderclap will be equivalent to Juggs forward movement, unstoppable.
Never said the reaction to Northstar et al was an exotic move. I put that up to show his reaction speed, which is fairly decent. So IF Hulk thunder claps from the get go (which he doesn't do, but I'll let that slide), Nate can still react to it. By either shifting intangible, or doing this:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5679/xfactor02236.jpg
So no need to stop it, just either let it pass harmlessly through (intangible) or around (shifting). Unless you can prove the shockwave from Hulk is faster than the shockwave of a bomb? Good luck. This is ignoring his ability to just say 'stop' as soon as the bell rings.
The second scan doesn't show him reacting to lightning but rather lightning striking near him.I don't see how Nate will survive an attack from WBH. Nate will go down instantly.
Look at the scan again. I reproduce it in its glory here. He is in midthought, and mid flight, when the lightning strikes. He stops thinking (showing his mind was on other things at the time of the strike), and even flies parallel to the lightning bolt for a bit, as he pulls up. His arm goes up, his right leg goes down...all in REACTION to the lightning. A lightning bolt crashed through right in front of him, and he managed to stop himself before he flew into it.
So in summary:
Before the bell, neither side can use their powers. No omniblast, no precog, no thunder-clap, no superspeed.
*Ding*
Hulk leads with a thunderclap, and starts pouring out energy. But Nate has the reactions to see the energy, bend it around him, go intangible, then do whatever he wants at a leisurely pace (I haven't even mentioned him stepping into Planck time yet).
Your mistake, I think, is to regard this like a Street Fighter/Tekken game fight - that something has to happen (combo button mash, or in this case, Nate has to think 'precog on', or 'superspeed on'😉 before it happens. Which it isn't. As soon as the bell goes, all powers are on automatically.
Originally posted by carver9
I will bro...Hulk stomps and you all are seriously overating Nate. The guy struggles with Holocaust...what in the hell is he going to do against a super brick.
irrelevant, that was a pre-shaman Nate who is a miniscule compared to his
Shaman incarnation.
and i would hardly call it a struggle.
Originally posted by TheHulk
Don't we all the defend who we think would win a forum battle?
Obv, Quan doesn't think/care that Hulk would win.
Carver's best argument was bringing up a low showing for a younger, inexperienced Nate, where he 'struggled' with Holocaust. If a low showing is Holocaust level, that says a lot about Nate's power levels.
Nates shields wouldnt last one hit quite frankly. And its doubtful whether the telepathy would work either. But he really has no reason to get physical or even go that route at all. WBH might be the epitome of physicality but he has little answer for the time manipulation stuff or a few other possible options. As long as nate doesnt try to fight WBH straight up, and since nate is prone to using his exotic abilities in combat then he wins this. Hes not putting WBH down but he can neutralize him in other ways.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Nates shields wouldnt last one hit quite frankly. And its doubtful whether the telepathy would work either. But he really has no reason to get physical or even go that route at all. WBH might be the epitome of physicality but he has little answer for the time manipulation stuff or a few other possible options. As long as nate doesnt try to fight WBH straight up, and since nate is prone to using his exotic abilities in combat then he wins this. Hes not putting WBH down but he can neutralize him in other ways.
Agreed 100%. Using force against Hulk is a bad idea at the best of times, let alone WBH. Trying to put TK armour on and duking it out will get Nate dissipated (I hesitate to use the word killed, because he could pull himself back I guess).
With his 300 or so ways of seeing things (whatever that means), I would think its a safe assumption that Nate will not go fisticuffs against this Hulk.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Nates shields wouldnt last one hit quite frankly. And its doubtful whether the telepathy would work either. But he really has no reason to get physical or even go that route at all. WBH might be the epitome of physicality but he has little answer for the time manipulation stuff or a few other possible options. As long as nate doesnt try to fight WBH straight up, and since nate is prone to using his exotic abilities in combat then he wins this. Hes not putting WBH down but he can neutralize him in other ways.
