Syrio Forel fought random douchebag knights wielding... Arming swords.
A badass, sure.
I'd love to see how he'd stack up to Ser Gregor Clegane. If using him is cheating due to the incredible difference in size, strength, and defense, then I raise you Ser Arthur Dayne, Sword of the Morning. Dawn too cheap to make this fair? Eddard Stark then, at least, going by the show. Novels-only? Jaime wields a two-handed longsword. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
Syrio Forel fought random douchebag knights wielding... Arming swords.A badass, sure.
I'd love to see how he'd stack up to Ser Gregor Clegane. If using him is cheating due to the incredible difference in size, strength, and defense, then I raise you Ser Arthur Dayne, Sword of the Morning. Dawn too cheap to make this fair? Eddard Stark then, at least, going by the show. Novels-only? Jaime wields a two-handed longsword. 👆
Syrio fought multiple mother****ing guardsmen armed with nothing except a small wooden weighted sword. He then took on Meryn Trant who was armed with a fairly large blade and full armor, and still did considerably well.
Point is, the speed of his weapon was his ally.
Against full armor, a rapier or other quick stabbing sword isn't much of a threat, barring joint shots. Syrio would still give any of those armoured queers a run for their money. We know how well Gregor did with his slow-ass two-hander against an opponent using a fast stabbing weapon.
Originally posted by Robtard
Syrio fought multiple mother****ing guardsmen armed with nothing except a small wooden weighted sword. He then took on Meryn Trant who was armed with a fairly large blade and full armor, and still did considerably well.Point is, the speed of his weapon was his ally.
Against full armor, a rapier or other quick stabbing sword isn't much of a threat, barring joint shots. Syrio would still give any of those armoured queers a run for their money. We know how well Gregor did with his slow-ass two-hander against an opponent using a fast stabbing weapon.
Plus, you know, he exceeded the skill of his foes by a considerable amount. His weapon was not faster. He was.
We never saw Syrio fight anyone of the caliber of the Cleganes, Jaime, or whoever.
Oh, you mean that fast stabbing weapon that was like seven to eight feet long, one Oberyn explicitly chose to wield because it exceeded the Mountain's own range, and happened to be poisoned? Oberyn himself also was noted to be a very quick and nimble combatant, whereas the Mountain was merely "faster than a man that size had any right to be". Also, Oberyn had a shield, which saved his life in that fight.
Ser Gregor Clegane or Sandor would wreck Syrio, lol. Arthur Dayne would do so as well, Syrio was likely killed by one member of the Kingsguard, Arthur could have killed the other five members of the Kingsguard with one hand, while taking a piss with the other. 👆
Jaime in his prime would also smash, as would Ned.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ser Gregor Clegane or Sandor would wreck Syrio, lol. Arthur Dayne would do so as well, Syrio was likely killed by one member of the Kingsguard, Arthur could have killed the other five members of the Kingsguard with one hand, while taking a piss with the other. 👆Jaime in his prime would also smash, as would Ned.
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Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, he was more skilled. His weapon was also faster, being made of wood. This is the point. Speed matters a lot.Syrio > your face.
Face(that was just owned by Syrio) it, you're wrong. Weapon speed was a major factor in that fight too.
In armor. Sure. In a man's duel. Nopesauce.
Wooden training swords are designed to accurately replicate the feel of an actual sword. In fact, Arya's wooden sword was heavier than her real sword. 👆
In the Syrio fight, nope. Not at all.
Syrio arguably exceeds Gregor and Sandor in skill, but not in strength, reach, endurance, or ferocity. He is exceeded in all ways by Jaime and Ser Arthur ****ing Dayne. Even unarmoured, they are more likely to prevail.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Wooden training swords are designed to accurately replicate the feel of an actual sword. In fact, Arya's wooden sword was heavier than her real sword. 👆In the Syrio fight, nope. Not at all.
Syrio arguably exceeds Gregor and Sandor in skill, but not in strength, reach, endurance, or ferocity. He is exceeded in all ways by Jaime and Ser Arthur ****ing Dayne. Even unarmoured, they are more likely to prevail.
Not exactly. I've held a katana and I've held a wooden practice katana. Katana was heavier. But the point which you're dancing around, Syrio kicked ass with a wooden sword, against opponents with heavier/slower actual swords.
Yes, he would.
Look how he did against multiple opponents and then a King's Guard with a wooden sword. Show me Jamie and your boytoy Dayne doing that. LoL, no. Unarmed they die for certain.
I like how this has become a Game of Thrones thread now.
But Rob, you seem to be ignoring the fact that while a smaller, lighter weapon has an advantage over heavier weapons as seen in Syrio's confrontation with the guards, it also has a disadvantage, also showcased in said fight, which is the frailty that comes with being lighter and smaller. In the end Syrio would have been much better off using a heavier sword if the heft also translated to sturdiness.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not exactly. I've held a katana and I've held a wooden practice katana. Katana was heavier. But the point which you're dancing around, Syrio kicked ass with a wooden sword, against opponents with heavier/slower actual swords.Yes, he would.
Look how he did against multiple opponents and then a King's Guard with a wooden sword. Show me Jamie and your boytoy Dayne doing that. LoL, no. Unarmed they die for certain.
I don't care what lies you've just made up fatass. 👆
The swords were explicitly heavier than Needle. 👆
Gregor Clegane has charged pike formations on foot and broken them, survived hails of arrows raining on him, decapitated a horse, crushed a man's skull with his hands, cut fully armoured men in platemail in half, and IIRC in his fight with Oberyn managed to ****ing break his shield. Gregor rapestomps. 👆
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I like how this has become a Game of Thrones thread now.But Rob, you seem to be ignoring the fact that while a smaller, lighter weapon has an advantage over heavier weapons as seen in Syrio's confrontation with the guards, it also has a disadvantage, also showcased in said fight, which is the frailty that comes with being lighter and smaller. In the end Syrio would have been much better off using a heavier sword if the heft also translated to sturdiness.
Agreed. Hypothetical GoT fights are much more interesting than chains-swung-by-superman.
Syrio's sword in that fight was made of wood though. If he has a proper rapier (basically what the Bravosi use), he would have likely shit-stomped Meryn Trant, his exceptional skills compensating for the armor.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't care what lies you've just made up fatass. 👆The swords were explicitly heavier than Needle. 👆
Gregor Clegane has charged pike formations on foot and broken them, survived hails of arrows raining on him, decapitated a horse, crushed a man's skull with his hands, cut fully armoured men in platemail in half, and IIRC in his fight with Oberyn managed to ****ing break his shield. Gregor rapestomps. 👆
Go and hold a practice katana, son.
Yet still lighter than his opponents larger steel weapons, son.
Gregor would never hit Syrio and he'd tire out in time. Oberyn showed how some cunning and skill > Gregor's strength in a 1v1 fight. Get off Gregor's dick, son.
Originally posted by Robtard
Go and hold a practice katana, son.
Hold your mother's ass son. 👆
Yet still lighter than his opponents larger steel weapons, son.
Prove it. 👆
Gregor would never hit Syrio and he'd tire out in time. Oberyn showed how some cunning and skill > Gregor's strength in a 1v1 fight. Get off Gregor's dick, son.
Syrio uses a weapon about half as long as Ser Gregor Clegane's, Oberyn chose the spear explicitly because its reach was greater than even Gregor's, and despite that, the use of his shield still saved his life, because Oberyn could not, in fact, dodge all of his blows. And to ignore the fact that his weapon was poisoned is blatant idiocy, you're ignoring context because it doesn't suit your argument. For Syrio to fight Gregor, he would have to step within the range of a man who could rip him apart with his bare hands. Syrio is good, but he isn't good enough to pass Gregor's physical advantage, nor the advantage in equipment. 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
I will not.Prove that a short wooden sword is lighter than a larger steel longsword? Hmmm.
See above: Get off Gregor's dick. At least swing from the Clegane that's worthy, Sandor.
I accept your concession. 👆
Oh, and Sandor is afraid of his older, bigger, stronger brother for a reason.