Originally posted by NemeBro
I accept your concession. 👆Oh, and Sandor is afraid of his older, bigger, stronger brother for a reason.
Try harder.
Childhood trauma. Sandor is superior to Gregor in every way except physical strength and we saw how they fought at the King's tournament, Sandor was holding back and still matching Gregor. Get off Gregor's dick, boyo.
Originally posted by Robtard
Try harder.Childhood trauma. Sandor is superior to Gregor in every way except physical strength and we saw how they fought at the King's tournament, Sandor was holding back and still matching Gregor. Get off Gregor's dick, boyo.
There is no evidence to suggest that Sandor is a more skilled fighter than Gregor. 👆
Sandor himself hypes Gregor's prowess as a combatant ("Gregor's lance goes where Gregor wants it to go"😉. 👆
Sandor was able to briefly stalemate a maddened by rage Gregor through constant defense, never trying to attack, he wasn't holding back. 👆
While it would be a good fight, Sandor would ultimately be unable to close the gap in raw physical strength and superior equipment. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
There is no evidence to suggest that Sandor is a more skilled fighter than Gregor. 👆Sandor himself hypes Gregor's prowess as a combatant ("Gregor's lance goes where Gregor wants it to go"😉. 👆
Sandor was able to briefly stalemate a maddened by rage Gregor through constant defense, never trying to attack, he wasn't holding back. 👆
While it would be a good fight, Sandor would ultimately be unable to close the gap in raw physical strength and superior equipment. 👆
Except the scene I mentioned where it was stated that Sandor was holding back while Gregor was going for killing blows and they were matched. Gregor's known for his size, strength and pure unfiltered brutality he brings. Sandor's known for his skills.
That was in regards to jousting. A sport.
Except where it was mentioned he was.
No, Sandor likely best his brother, as he's still a hulking brute with a high level of strength himself and has more skill.
Originally posted by Robtard
Except the scene I mentioned where it was stated that Sandor was holding back while Gregor was going for killing blows and they were matched. Gregor's known for his size, strength and pure unfiltered brutality he brings. Sandor's known for his skills.That was in regards to jousting. A sport.
Except where it was mentioned he was.
No, Sandor likely best his brother, as he's still a hulking brute with a high level of strength himself and has more skill.
No, nowhere was it stated that Sandor was "holding back", and actually, it does, in fact, state that Sandor was hammering at his brother as well. Sandor just happened to not be trying to aim for his unprotected face. The exchange was so brief that to use it as any kind of evidence is stupid. 👆
Sandor is known to be among the physically strongest men in Westeros (Jaime explicitly mentions him, the Greatjon, Strongboar, and The Mountain himself as the four men in Westeros he believes to be physically superior to he, with the Mountain easily taking 1st, and his wording seems to imply that Sandor would be second), Jaime believes Sandor's real strength is that he is also very fast for a man of such strength and size. While skilled, he isn't any Arthur Dayne, or Jaime Lannister. Both are skilled fighters, Gregor is physically stronger, Sandor faster, but Gregor's plate mail is also virtually impregnable, compounded by his tower shield. 👆
Which also happens to have its applications in actual combat. 👆
It was not. 👆
It would be a good fight, but the Mountain would prevail. 👆
"No one could withstand him. That's truth enough. No one could ever withstand Gregor." 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
Oberyn showed how some cunning and skill > Gregor's strength in a 1v1 fight.
Oberyn showed how picking the right weapon can define the outcome of the fight. He knew perfectly well that he couldn't win a sword fight with Gregor. With swords Gregor can hit everyone in GoT harder than they can hit him before they're close enough to even try. Not to say that Oberyn's speed was unimportant but the extra reach from the spear was the larger part of his plan.
Three of David's Mighty Men killed eight thousand men with their spears. Spears do seem to have been effective in that day and age, if this biblical and awe-inspiring (although admittedly exaggerated) account is of any indication. The spear is described kind of like being God's weapon in many accounts of battle in the Old Testament.
It's difficult to deflect a spear with anything other than a shield.
A good thrusting spear and a shield and some light but tough armor is all a melee combatant can ask for. As well as a sword as plan b in case their spear gets caught up, dropped, or broken during battle.
Halbreds and other polearms are two handed thrusting weapons, almost impossible to deflect with a sword, and they have an advantage and reach over swords and other weapons as well in how quickly they can lobotomize and eviscerate opponents, and how easily.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThis is probably more true than anything else.
Oberyn showed how picking the right weapon can define the outcome of the fight. He knew perfectly well that he couldn't win a sword fight with Gregor. With swords Gregor can hit everyone in GoT harder than they can hit him before they're close enough to even try. Not to say that Oberyn's speed was unimportant but the extra reach from the spear was the larger part of his plan.
What are the battle conditions cause different weapons matter for different situations.
For instance against heavily armored foes you probably want to pick a more bludgeoning type weapon like a fail, mace, or hammer. If you are strong enough to wield them.
The reason being piercing and slashing weapons have a hard time inflicting any real wounds against the armor, but the Bludgeoning weapons can get past the armor by possibly breaking bones from the shear force of their attacks.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, nowhere was it stated that Sandor was "holding back", and actually, it does, in fact, state that Sandor was hammering at his brother as well. Sandor just happened to not be trying to aim for his unprotected face. The exchange was so brief that to use it as any kind of evidence is stupid. 👆Sandor is known to be among the physically strongest men in Westeros (Jaime explicitly mentions him, the Greatjon, Strongboar, and The Mountain himself as the four men in Westeros he believes to be physically superior to he, with the Mountain easily taking 1st, and his wording seems to imply that Sandor would be second), Jaime believes Sandor's real strength is that he is also very fast for a man of such strength and size. While skilled, he isn't any Arthur Dayne, or Jaime Lannister. Both are skilled fighters, Gregor is physically stronger, Sandor faster, but Gregor's plate mail is also virtually impregnable, compounded by his tower shield. 👆
Which also happens to have its applications in actual combat. 👆
It was not. 👆
It would be a good fight, but the Mountain would prevail. 👆
"No one could withstand him. That's truth enough. No one could ever withstand Gregor." 👆
Sandor would win, he's better than Gregor as seen. Deal with that.
No one, except for the guy that had him dead to rights and then lost due to hubris. Deal.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oberyn showed how picking the right weapon can define the outcome of the fight. He knew perfectly well that he couldn't win a sword fight with Gregor. With swords Gregor can hit everyone in GoT harder than they can hit him before they're close enough to even try. Not to say that Oberyn's speed was unimportant but the extra reach from the spear was the larger part of his plan.
All you said would fall under what I said, "cunning and skill". We should mate.