How powerful would this person be?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Sounds Boring. And jesus didnt have THAT much power. If anything it would be 'God'. Though there is a reason why he/she doesnt do all that and make life a perfect world.

There's this quandry that no matter how good technology makes life for us, we will still find reasons to be unhappy in some way or another....as long as we're still human. 🙂

You see I'd imagine that if technology can make us Gods, than technology can cure negative thought....thus paradise. I believe there's always work to be done, progress to be made, even for Gods.

That's just my belief, paradise is possible, and it's not boring at all. These quatum particles are real, this techonology could be real, is that really boring.

"You can look at life in one of two ways: nothing's a miracle, or, everything is a miracle."

That's Einstein.

Issues like scope (how many such wavefunctions is the individual able to process at once from how large of a space) or whether the individual is dependent on scientific understanding of these functions to manipulate them are going to be far more important.

Processing so many possible outcomes of even a dozen sub atomic particles will be beyond the capacity of any human to do, let alone anything that would allow the manipulation of matter the size of a penny, but beyond that, it is a power that sort of lets you define how strong it is.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Sounds Boring.

idk, very powerful beings that have regular human flaws (imagine this person doesn't understand quantum physics, but has these powers... a more interesting character and a way to play with different motivations, etc)

agreed though, this power on an unlimited scale would be uninteresting

Originally posted by Oliver North
Issues like scope (how many such wavefunctions is the individual able to process at once from how large of a space) or whether the individual is dependent on scientific understanding of these functions to manipulate them are going to be far more important.

Processing so many possible outcomes of even a dozen sub atomic particles will be beyond the capacity of any human to do, let alone anything that would allow the manipulation of matter the size of a penny, but beyond that, it is a power that sort of lets you define how strong it is.

idk, very powerful beings that have regular human flaws (imagine this person doesn't understand quantum physics, but has these powers... a more interesting character and a way to play with different motivations, etc)

agreed though, this power on an unlimited scale would be uninteresting

I don't think there are any limits.

You find it boring because you cannot imagine obstacles or new possibilities to study. They say there are limits to intelligence, but maybe there are other things out there that have not yet come to exist, things like intelligence, but with higher limits.

People will say, "Omnipotence, that's all there is." I say there could be something greater.

Originally posted by Mindship
From my immediate reality, psiconsciously I might find the one where my best friend Joe Schmo tells me his Social Security #. I now have this information I can use in my immediate reality where Mr. Schmo is my sworn enemy. I can even say to him, "Wanna see me read your mind?".

Under many-worlds your actually not any more accurate than anyone else, you're just ignoring your mistakes.

Illium & Olympos on crack.

Let's say it works on a sub-conscious level and the individual doesn't have to be scientifically literate. We'll say they can manipulate one yottagram at a time. What could they do, in terms of rearranging subatomic particles and thus transmuting, materializing, or disintegrating matter? Also, how would energy play into this? Is energy also composed of fermions or bosons, or some other quanta that has a wavefunction?

Let's suppose one looked at their living room, but through the "superposition viewer". They would see every possible state that their living room could exist in (it could be the room, the room with a bed in it, a garden, SeaWorld, a solar system, etc., do to it being every possible state of every quantum particle) simultaneously and select the eigenstate of preference. Is that within the capabilities of this power?

Whether energy really has a waveform or not doesn't really matter since all of the things that transmit energy have waveforms. AFAIK bosons (like photons and the Higgs) are the force carriers.

It sounds like you just want a "sciency" way to say "he has total control over matter and energy". If you can think of anything that involves matter or energy he would have total control over it, simple as that. A yottagram isn't a lot on a planetary scale turning the Earth into a cube would take him a while.

The more interesting stuff comes when you free yourself of sciency phrases that you lack the decades of study needed to understand and just take a sciencey look at what you can do with the Power Cosmic you've given this character. I'd suggest looking at Orion's Arm. They have lots of technologies that merely have the requirement that they not be impossible.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's suppose one looked at their living room, but through the "superposition viewer". They would see every possible state that their living room could exist in (it could be the room, the room with a bed in it, a garden, SeaWorld, a solar system, etc., do to it being every possible state of every quantum particle) simultaneously and select the eigenstate of preference. Is that within the capabilities of this power?

I'm not sure you're really picturing how many possible states there are for every particle in the universe. Besides "bed with a room in it" there is "bed with a room in it and one electron in the bed having a different spin" and "bed with a room in it and one fewer photon inside" and "bed with a room in it and a different election in the bed having a different spin". There's also an infinite number of identical empty voids to enjoy.

The result wouldn't be "you see everything" it would be "you see nothing".

Originally posted by Dolos
I don't think there are any limits.

You find it boring because you cannot imagine obstacles or new possibilities to study. They say there are limits to intelligence, but maybe there are other things out there that have not yet come to exist, things like intelligence, but with higher limits.

something cannot be higher than infinite... your complaint fails to see that such a limit is tautologically at odds with the power-set.

hence why I made the example of a character with human limitations, which (idk, maybe it is my lack of creativity) seems much more compelling.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's say it works on a sub-conscious level and the individual doesn't have to be scientifically literate. We'll say they can manipulate one yottagram at a time. What could they do, in terms of rearranging subatomic particles and thus transmuting, materializing, or disintegrating matter? Also, how would energy play into this? Is energy also composed of fermions or bosons, or some other quanta that has a wavefunction?

they have innate understanding of how matter and energy interact and can manipulate a mass roughly equal to the pacific ocean not only in terms of its sub atomic properties, but probability of how those sub atomic properties arrange themselves?

I think you could make them do anything so long as it doesn't break that mass threshold... like, is there some specific feat you are looking for that would require a more nuanced understanding of the science? You are describing probability manipulation on a massive scale. Mid-High herald I'd say, if you want those terms.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's suppose one looked at their living room, but through the "superposition viewer". They would see every possible state that their living room could exist in (it could be the room, the room with a bed in it, a garden, SeaWorld, a solar system, etc., do to it being every possible state of every quantum particle) simultaneously and select the eigenstate of preference. Is that within the capabilities of this power?

provided you give him the power to do that in terms of his brain being able to process that much information at a single time, he would be able to do that for as much mass as is ~equal to the mass of the Pacific Ocean

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
just take a sciencey look at what you can do with the Power Cosmic you've given this character.

that's what I'm trying to do is determine the scope. could an individual with this power create a universe, or only reshape it?

Originally posted by Oliver North
I think you could make them do anything so long as it doesn't break that mass threshold... like, is there some specific feat you are looking for that would require a more nuanced understanding of the science? .

What I am trying to find out is could one exnihilate (create out of nothing) elementary fermions and bosons (including gravitons and Higgs bosons), and even universes, using wavefunction collapse, or does WFC only allow for the reshaping of particles.

Originally posted by Lestov16
that's what I'm trying to do is determine the scope. could an individual with this power create a universe, or only reshape it?

it depends how much energy it takes to create a universe.

If it could be done with the energy of the mass of the Pacific Ocean (ours could not be) then yes.

Conversely, given that the character changes probability, they could always just find the probability that a universe with the properties it wants exists in the mass it can manipulate.

sort of a backwards way of doing it. Not able to "create" it from scratch, but pull it pre-formed from the sort of sea of infinite possibilities it can access.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What I am trying to find out is could one exnihilate (create out of nothing) elementary fermions and bosons (including gravitons and Higgs bosons), and even universes, using wavefunction collapse, or does WFC only allow for the reshaping of particles.

as I said above, it is possible if, say, converting the mass of the ocean into energy was enough to do what you are looking for (I don't know if quark-gluon plasma is primitive enough to qualify for what you are talking about, but that requires the energy of sub atomic particles colliding at near the speed of light).

I think you are sort of underplaying the creative power behind this character for more of a brute force method. It would be interesting from a character perspective, ie, the limitation is that they only try to use energy to blast a universe into existence rather than taking one out of the "ether", but ultimately, they don't need to "do" anything, simply just find the probability where it already is real and "summon" that.

sorry, dp

Originally posted by Lestov16
that's what I'm trying to do is determine the scope. could an individual with this power create a universe, or only reshape it?

No one knows how the universe was created so you, as the writer, get to choose.

Originally posted by Oliver North
it depends how much energy it takes to create a universe.

The energy of the universe is (currently) calculated to be 4x10^69 J, or 6×10^52  kg, but like I said, I am wondering could one use this ability to violate the law of conservation of mass and energy and create particles and even universes out of nothing?

not directly, if their only power is to effect the probability of sub atomic particles themselves. In theory, the probability of something that is impossible is 0, so if the second law of thermodynamics is impossible, there would be no place on the wave function that represented "perpetual motion".

However, given you are the author, and you said the character isn't limited by our own scientific understandings, a line like "normal people don't appreciate what is possible, boxing themselves in with 'laws'. If they opened their minds, they could see the true reality." then have them make a perpetual motion machine.

edit: our universe has that weight, yes, we don't know what it takes to create any universe however.

Originally posted by Oliver North
it depends how much energy it takes to create a universe.

If it could be done with the energy of the mass of the Pacific Ocean (ours could not be) then yes.

Conversely, given that the character changes probability, they could always just find the probability that a universe with the properties it wants exists in the mass it can manipulate.

sort of a backwards way of doing it. Not able to "create" it from scratch, but pull it pre-formed from the sort of sea of infinite possibilities it can access.

as I said above, it is possible if, say, converting the mass of the ocean into energy was enough to do what you are looking for (I don't know if quark-gluon plasma is primitive enough to qualify for what you are talking about, but that requires the energy of sub atomic particles colliding at near the speed of light).

I think you are sort of underplaying the creative power behind this character for more of a brute force method. It would be interesting from a character perspective, ie, the limitation is that they only try to use energy to blast a universe into existence rather than taking one out of the "ether", but ultimately, they don't need to "do" anything, simply just find the probability where it already is real and "summon" that.

I understand the possibilities of this. One would basically see the world as a clay and reshape it, but I would like a character who can create their won universes, where they are unbound by physics or even logic. They could create worlds where 2/0=fish, and other mathematical impossibilities. Are such impossibilities within the wavefunction?

Originally posted by Oliver North
not directly, if their only power is to effect the probability of sub atomic particles themselves. In theory, the probability of something that is impossible is 0, so if the second law of thermodynamics is impossible, there would be no place on the wave function that represented "perpetual motion".

However, given you are the author, and you said the character isn't limited by our own scientific understandings, a line like "normal people don't appreciate what is possible, boxing themselves in with 'laws'. If they opened their minds, they could see the true reality." then have them make a perpetual motion machine.

edit: our universe has that weight, yes, we don't know what it takes to create any universe however.

Alright, I understand.

Let's look at their basic powers though. Could they look at a room and morph it into SeaWorld?

yes