i think the most important issue to address is the fact that the wizards have lost the thread, as directly suggested by the OP's admittance that the wizards can only persevere via faint/dodge)
its over already. the only thing that remains is for the OP to recognize it. no siege achieved=mission failure. wizards lose. sure they survive thanks to lestov's epic gimping of the u.s. armed forces, but they still lose.
Originally posted by Lestov16No, by contemporary science, I mean pissed off villagers armed with muskets.
By contemporary science, you mean nukes, right? Because those aren't allowed here.
Seriously. The Salem witch trials and shit like that are the reason for the masquerade.
"Nukes", lol. I doubt they'd need to bring in artillery.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, here are the points that the wizard side have to address:1) Can Voldemort even control and direct his army? Is there anything to suggest he's capable of this level of puppeteering? Last I checked, he isn't Darkseid from the Great Darkness Saga.
OP says he's managed to imperio everyone. Don't know how he managed it. Maybe he used a power amplifier. Maybe abracadabra truly were the magic words. IDK how, but the OP says he managed it, so for this particular thread, he did.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
2) Even if we accept that Imperio amped Neville Longbottom to perform a feat of agility beyond his normal capability, does this translate to using high level magic effectively? If it were possible for Voldemort to control and amp any wizard to the levels suggested here, why in the Hell did a control freak like Voldemort not simply do that and puppeteer all the Death Eaters? It would have made them both more effective and even less likely to turn against him.
You answered your question above. Vold can't usually mass manipulate, but the OP says he can, so for this particular thread, he can
Originally posted by Omega Vision
3) Has the wizard's shield actually shown the capability to resist non-magical attacks? I'm not banking too much on this, (in fact, I'm fairly certain I remember--it's been a while since I've seen the movie--it showing properties that would make it effective against solid projectiles and explosives) I'd just like to hear if it has or hasn't, because it seems like the presumption has been that the shields will hold against bullets and bombs, even powerful bombs. It seems quite possible to me that the shield isn't a Star Wars/Halo style energy shield but an anti-spell barrier.
Watch this and determine the strength of the shield for yourself. From 6:11-6:21 you can see the destructive force of the bolts which impacted the shield
Originally posted by Omega Vision
4) For the OP, is this or isn't this a spite thread?
It's not a spite thread. Since you want it to be, I'll just give the US nukes. Now you can spite the wizards until your heart's content
Originally posted by Lestov16
OP says he's managed to imperio everyone. Don't know how he managed it. Maybe he used a power amplifier. Maybe abracadabra truly were the magic words. IDK how, but the OP says he managed it, so for this particular thread, he did.You answered your question above. Vold can't usually mass manipulate, but the OP says he can, so for this particular thread, he can
YouTube videoWatch this and determine the strength of the shield for yourself. From 6:11-6:21 you can see the destructive force of the bolts which impacted the shield
It's not a spite thread. Since you want it to be, I'll just give the US nukes. Now you can spite the wizards until your heart's content
Originally posted by focus4chumps
an on screen example of shields deflecting solid matter would be valid imho. even small pebbles bouncing off would satisfy
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, we're amping the wizards well beyond their usual levels. Cool. Glad we agree.I agree that it isn't an actual spite thread, but I contend that it was created as one, because you don't seem to think that the question of who would win is even one that merits long consideration given the way you've often times brusquely attempted to brush aside pro-military arguments as nonsense. You're not debating in good faith, you think one side will win no-contest, and have even gotten into mudslinging when met with disagreement. So, while this might not be a spite thread in the sense that (so far as I can see) the scales aren't skewed the way you evidently think they are, this is against the spirit of a healthy versus thread because it was created with the intent of the OP to prove a point rather than invite debate with the aim of settling an uncertainty. What you're doing would be absolutely fine if you weren't the thread starter.
Thank you for helping me understand the problem. Please understand I created this thread completely unbiased and with an honest attempt to see who would win. You can understand how I took away nukes to prevent a curbstomp for the military, and took away potions and time-trappers and such to prevent a curbstomp for the wizards. I haven't even seen HP7 P2 and don't really remember P1. I just researched them solely for this thread when quan started mentioning shields and I actually bothered to research what he was talking about. I didn't know imperio could amp until KingD19 mentioned it. I kind of envisioned a MW3-style battle going down when I made the thread. I was actually hoping for a stalemate or the US winning by a slight margin. Unfortunately research of the facts has proven that the wizards are too powerful for that.
Also the wizards win. The objective of the thread isn't for the wizards to lay siege to LA. They've already done that. The objective is for the military to clear them, which they first must do by penetrating the shield
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You've missed my point. I was asking whether we've seen the shield repel non-magical attacks. Those blasts are magical energy, so their destructive power is irrelevant to my query--I'm asking if there's any strong reason to discount the possibility that the shield is simply there to deflect magic and wouldn't be of use against projectile weapons and non-magical explosives. It just seems to me that you've been presuming that the shield would hold against a powerful military onslaught, and haven't even considered the possibility that it wasn't intended for use against Muggle militaries, but was a purely anti-magic defense. This is all hypothetical, but I think it's worth addressing, if only to play devil's advocate.
Are you saying a magic bolt blast is different from a military explosive of the same yield? If you're saying "magic only works on magic things", that's an utterly nonsense argument.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Wizards get no Time-Turner or Felix Felicis
Originally posted by Lestov16
This could go either way. The apparating wizards fiendfyre-bombing everywhere is going present one hell of a challenge.
My first post of the thread. You can see how I am unbiased to either side, and only started forming an opinion as facts came in. This isn't a spite thread, it's only being overhyped as one by people who are upset that the military lost after evidence was presented proving so.
Originally posted by the ninjak
😆 Fair enough. Though I don't see the basic military stopping Vold from teleporting around the planet, blackmailing and threatening politicians and senators into doing what he wants. Especially when he has their loved ones under his control.
Interesting....
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It isn't a nonsense argument at all.
It pretty much is. How do you explain Ron Weasley taking his dad's car, which existed in "the muggle realm", and flying it to and crashing it into a Womping Willow at Hogwarts? How do you explain Harry materializing the glass at the zoo? Or Dobby floating and crashing the cake? Or Harry inflating his aunt? Or the Dementors attacking Dudley? Again, your argument "magic only works on magic things" is utter nonsense. Now please explain how a magic bolt blast is different from a military explosive of the same yield.