Originally posted by Oliver North
then everyone just sounds like me!!!! RARGH!!!
But there's a lot of good tips on dialogue that I got from reading Burroway's A Guide to Narrative Craft.
(I recommended that book to this forum a long time ago, I figure I'll push it again now. 😖hifty: )
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I should probably follow my own advice more, lol.But there's a lot of good tips on dialogue that I got from reading Burroway's A Guide to Narrative Craft.
(I recommended that book to this forum a long time ago, I figure I'll push it again now. 😖hifty: )
lol, I'll take whatever advice I can get
With dialogue though, the hardest problem I have is that I can't stop hearing it in my own voice... maybe it just means I don't know the character well enough, but in some cases I don't think that's it.
idk, I'd just way rather be David Simon than Quentin Tarantino.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I tend to read guides written by comic writers.I have Peter David's, Stan Lee's and Denny O'Neill's books.
Scott McCloud has written a bunch of stuff I'd love to read
Originally posted by Oliver North
lol, I'll take whatever advice I can getWith dialogue though, the hardest problem I have is that I can't stop hearing it in my own voice... maybe it just means I don't know the character well enough, but in some cases I don't think that's it.
idk, I'd just way rather be David Simon than Quentin Tarantino.
Scott McCloud has written a bunch of stuff I'd love to read
Don't think I've read his stuff.
Originally posted by Oliver North
lol, I'll take whatever advice I can getWith dialogue though, the hardest problem I have is that I can't stop hearing it in my own voice... maybe it just means I don't know the character well enough, but in some cases I don't think that's it.
idk, I'd just way rather be David Simon than Quentin Tarantino.
When I'm writing I always tell myself "it's not about what I want, it's about what this character wants."
For me back and forth dialogue is easy, rants/monologues are harder. That's the true test of "do you know this character" as far as I'm concerned. I'm not talking about speeches, speeches always strike me as fake no matter how well written, because in life no one ever delivers a speech except to deceive. Rants are raw honesty, like blood from a picked open scab.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I tend to read guides written by comic writers.I have Peter David's, Stan Lee's and Denny O'Neill's books.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't think I've read his stuff.
he did a comic called Zot! that got a lot of attention. He has some books about writing comics as a medium that looked way more interesting than his fiction did to me, ha
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It might be that you're not ready to step outside of yourself, if that makes sense.When I'm writing I always tell myself "it's not about what I want, it's about what this character wants."
For me back and forth dialogue is easy, rants/monologues are harder. That's the true test of "do you know this character" as far as I'm concerned. I'm not talking about speeches, speeches always strike me as fake no matter how well written, because in life no one ever delivers a speech except to deceive. Rants are raw honesty, like blood from a picked open scab.
wow, its almost the opposite I feel, at least for this (my own characters I feel I understand a bit better), the more expositive rants that reveal things are far easier to come up with than is the back and forth that sets that sort of stuff up... at least for me...
take it as a compliment that this discontinuity has only made me far more anxious about my own writing...
I'll admit it: I have next to no interest in Neil Gaiman's prose fiction. I mean, I know he's good (A Study in Emerald is one of my favorite short stories and one of the greatest piece of fanfiction ever) but his storytelling is just better than his actual writing, so comics are the perfect medium for him.
Originally posted by Oliver North
he did a comic called Zot! that got a lot of attention. He has some books about writing comics as a medium that looked way more interesting than his fiction did to me, hawow, its almost the opposite I feel, at least for this (my own characters I feel I understand a bit better), the more expositive rants that reveal things are far easier to come up with than is the back and forth that sets that sort of stuff up... at least for me...
take it as a compliment that this discontinuity has only made me far more anxious about my own writing...
Well, it might be easier for you, but for me, I think of writing good dialogue vs. a good rant as the difference between building a bridge with supports and without supports.
(Back off, you structural engineers lurking in the shadows uhuh)
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'll admit it: I have next to no interest in Neil Gaiman's prose fiction. I mean, I know he's good (A Study in Emerald is one of my favorite short stories and one of the greatest piece of fanfiction ever) but his storytelling is just better than his actual writing, so comics are the perfect medium for him.
I'm such a charlatan with this type of stuff. I know I should read Sandman, I think I've even got it somewhere, just haven't read it. Or any of his non-comic lit... I read some of his more recent work on Eternals, but couldn't get into it more because I'm not a huge fan of the Marvel mythos at that level.
I think my ex would agree about his other fiction, but I don't think she would have read any of his comics.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Aww. Don't feel anxious. Save all the anxiety for your characters.Well, it might be easier for you, but for me, I think of writing good dialogue vs. a good rant as the difference between building a bridge with supports and without supports.
(Back off, you structural engineers lurking in the shadows uhuh)
no, I totally hear you about the bridge thing, I'd say its more, for me, that I know the pathways that drive the story from scene to scene, but within the scenes, it is hard for me to get to that path without it just seeming like "now-I-am-setting-up-this-story-relevant-dialogue".
It may even just be the fact I'm having lots of issues with my literal opening scene. It turns out I didn't anticipate how important the motivations/etc of one of the characters was going to be at this point, and I think today is really going to be the first day I have to sit down and work that out. Even just thinking about it, scene 2 through the end of the issue feel much more natural (this character doesn't become really relevant until much later in the story, so I sort of ignored it in planning the overall story), so it might just be frustration with that...
Oh well, long story short, I get to read some old Man-Thing stories and try to trip out over what is interesting about some of his villains 🙂
Scott McCloud's work is fantastic. Though I wouldn't say it's writing advice per se. More like "This is what comics are as an original art form, this is what they do better than any other art form BOOOM *mind blown*" (I feel similar about Brenda Brathwaite and Jason Rohrer when it comes to games)
Also fantastic for comics as an art form are Will Eisner's books on it, starting with "Comics and Sequential Art" (Will Eisner is a freaking genius anyways).
Originally posted by Newjak
😂 It's good to see ya man. How have you been?
Decent. I'd say busy, but that's only occasionally true. I just (finally) hit my limit with KMC. I'm only going to be back sporadically, I think. But cold turkey was a way better KMC colon cleanse than saying "I'm going to cut back...next week."
What's this writer's thing? Sounds fun.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Bunch of mods taking this thing off topic.Go to PM's you ladies. ahah
Am I still a mod? Can I still ban you?
Originally posted by Digi
What's this writer's thing? Sounds fun.
A writer's tournament where participants are asked to complete a comic book story arc. Basically six issues of 8-15 pages (one issue a month). Considering how many guys here have been wanting to tell a comic story of some sort or another, JaketheBank and I figured we'd give them that opportunity.
Am I still a mod? Can I still ban you?
Yes - Raz hasn't come back since the last time which was just before you disappeared and left us all out to rot. Pulled a Tron you did.
Try me twinkle toes.
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