Originally posted by h1a8
If his tail is .000001% more than Thor's strength then it will overpower Thor
I gave a generous 2x Thor's strength.Hitting Mjolnir back requires equal strength of Thor (not more) and INCREDIBLE durability (which is why Mangog is formidable). I think in the story Thor said that he hit Mjolnir back at the strength of his own (Thor's) right arm or something like that.
Punching through dimensional barriers (with strength alone) is above Herald level strength by far.
It would take a plot device for a herald to do that (things outside of strength).
His tail easily manhandled Thor. That's a lot more than whatever nonsense number you're putting on it.
Based on what evidence did you come to the conclusion that one only needs to be as strong as Thor only to knock back Mjolnir as he did? Mangog's durability played a part in it, but he didn't tank it on his chest, he punched it back.
Why is punching through dimensions far above herald level strength? How did you reach this decision? Also, I've seen Thor and Hercules close a hole in a dimension with their fist, Thor break through dimensions with a blow etc.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Mangog is low-end Skyfather level. Cyttorak is about Elder God level...Trion Juggs wins.
Could I have a scan or two proving Cytorrak to be Elder God level please?
Originally posted by googol
yeah go and do that, and dont make a fool out of your self again...
Don't worry, I will. 5 gets you 10 information is being forgotten that will end this debate right quick.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His tail easily manhandled Thor. That's a lot more than whatever nonsense number you're putting on it.
Based on what evidence did you come to the conclusion that one only needs to be as strong as Thor only to knock back Mjolnir as he did? Mangog's durability played a part in it, but he didn't tank it on his chest, he punched it back.
Bottom line Mangog never showed vast strength above a herald. Biggest strength feat from him is overpowering Thor with his tail and hitting Mjolnir back. But Mangog failed to ko Thor after many hits. What does that tell you? Not that impressive IMO.
Yet you have no problem proving Odin's strength when he one shot Ulik while weakened. But when Mangog can't one shot or several shot a herald then he still far stronger than a herald?
I said without a plot device. When Thor and Hercules did it the dimension was there in their face out in the open. We don't know how much strength it took to punch it close. Thing could have helped punched the thing closed for all we know. The dimension was already there to be punched. I'm referring to punching the thin air (no visible dimension present) and phucking affecting dimensions. Like if I were to punch in the natural air right now in the room I'm in. Could I, with strength alone, affect dimensions?Why is punching through dimensions far above herald level strength? How did you reach this decision? Also, I've seen Thor and Hercules close a hole in a dimension with their fist, Thor break through dimensions with a blow etc.
Could I have a scan or two proving Cytorrak to be Elder God level please?
The fact that he gives a being (Cain) durability beyond a skyfather with only a portion of his power proves he is at least Elder God level. I don't think a skyfather can laugh off the Godblast do you?
Originally posted by curryman
And what IS elder god level?These beyond-herald levels are so unbelievably inconsistent.
back when Chaos King was Mikaboshi he practically one-shotted Zeus, yet Ares almost beat him.
Pluto is an elder god and Thor only needed a little bit of rage in him to completely trash Pluto and Ares.
Originally posted by h1a8Everything you say is wrong. Literally. You are like some form of "Forum-Bizarro". Except, you have no power or strength or redeeming characteristics.
How do you know it was easy? Did the scan say it was easy?
I didn't put any numbers into it. My point is that it only takes a little more force than another to overpower them. Not necessarily a vast amount more.To be honest it takes less force to hit something back. Think of baseball. A pitcher can be stronger than a hitter. Yet the hitter can hit the ball back with one arm on the bat. I'm giving Mangog the benefit of the doubt and saying that he is roughly 2x as strong as Thor (although Thor admitted that he hit Mjolnir back with the strength EQUAL to his own right arm).
Bottom line Mangog never showed vast strength above a herald. Biggest strength feat from him is overpowering Thor with his tail and hitting Mjolnir back. But Mangog failed to ko Thor after many hits. What does that tell you? Not that impressive IMO.
Yet you have no problem proving Odin's strength when he one shot Ulik while weakened. But when Mangog can't one shot or several shot a herald then he still far stronger than a herald?
I said without a plot device. When Thor and Hercules did it the dimension was there in their face out in the open. We don't know how much strength it took to punch it close. Thing could have helped punched the thing closed for all we know. The dimension was already there to be punched. I'm referring to punching the thin air (no visible dimension present) and phucking affecting dimensions. Like if I were to punch in the natural air right now in the room I'm in. Could I, with strength alone, affect dimensions?
The fact that he gives a being (Cain) durability beyond a skyfather with only a portion of his power proves he is at least Elder God level. I don't think a skyfather can laugh off the Godblast do you?
I have crushed you over and over, in thread after thread, posting entire story-lines worth of scans and comments that negate your posts.
You simply move onto the next thread and start all over again.
If anybody is taking any of h1's words seriously, I suggest that you do some searches including our usernames with Mangog. You will see what I mean.
Against a full-power Mangog of the Silver Age, Thor was completely helpless and unable to effect Mangog in any way. He was knocked out many times. Not one, or two times. Many times. Usually with one strike from Mangog.
Odin was terrified of Mangog and it was stated that he could not defeat Mangog in combat again and again, by Odin and several other characters. Odin stated that Mangog could NOT be defeated in combat, period. Odin, the same guy that didn't even fear Galactus. Galactus, who is above Cyttorak.
The only way SA Mangog could be defeated involved cutting him off from his power source, or reversing the process that created him. NEVER through combat. He was never even seen to be harmed in ANY way during all three of his first appearances.
The list of details goes on and on.
Originally posted by HorrificusOpposite really. I crushed you everytime. You would show a scan I would refute it with utmost ease.
Everything you say is wrong. Literally. You are like some form of "Forum-Bizarro". Except, you have no power or strength or redeeming characteristics.I have crushed you over and over, in thread after thread, posting entire story-lines worth of scans and comments that negate your posts.
You simply move onto the next thread and start all over again.
If anybody is taking any of h1's words seriously, I suggest that you do some searches including our usernames with Mangog. You will see what I mean.
Against a full-power Mangog of the Silver Age, Thor was completely helpless and unable to effect Mangog in any way. He was knocked out many times. Not one, or two times. Many times. Usually with one strike from Mangog.
Odin was terrified of Mangog and it was stated that he could not defeat Mangog in combat again and again, by Odin and several other characters. Odin stated that Mangog could NOT be defeated in combat, period. Odin, the same guy that didn't even fear Galactus. Galactus, who is above Cyttorak.
The only way SA Mangog could be defeated involved cutting him off from his power source, or reversing the process that created him. NEVER through combat. He was never even seen to be harmed in ANY way during all three of his first appearances.
The list of details goes on and on.
I'm arguing strength not durability. Mangog has no great strength.
SA Mangog has never koed Thor, he failed to ko Thor several times as a matter of fact. Where do you get your facts from?
Odin being so called terrified is worthless at the light of how Mangog was performing. That's like Superman being afraid of Aquaman. Yet Odin easily defeated Mangog.
Doesn't matter as durabilty isn't going to make him win. Mangog's offensive power is pathetic and couldn't even scratch Classic Juggs.
Odin can defeat Mangog, so can Galactus, so can LT. He is defeatable.
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, I've never understood how feats like that can be quantified."Trion punched a hole through several dimensional walls!1!!111!" Okay, well exactly how much strength is required to do that? Because I sure as hell don't have a clue.
Well I was watching Michio Kaku's show once and he said something about creating black holes and you would have to melt space. cant remember the temperature but it was something very high. so if you can get the temperature for melting space then the force a punch would have to be for the friction of the punch to equal that temperature. then add that for each dimension and that would equal the power of the punch. I think.
Originally posted by h1a8Crushed me?! Holy Dementia!
Opposite really. I crushed you everytime. You would show a scan I would refute it with utmost ease.I'm arguing strength not durability. Mangog has no great strength.
SA Mangog has never koed Thor, he failed to ko Thor several times as a matter of fact. Where do you get your facts from?Odin being so called terrified is worthless at the light of how Mangog was performing. That's like Superman being afraid of Aquaman. Yet Odin easily defeated Mangog.
Doesn't matter as durabilty isn't going to make him win. Mangog's offensive power is pathetic and couldn't even scratch Classic Juggs.
Odin can defeat Mangog, so can Galactus, so can LT. He is defeatable.
OK. This is it, you funny little guy.
I will be posting some scans. They will show how misled you are. After that, you should quietly crawl away from all Mangog-related threads.
Originally posted by curryman
They were there when Demogorge gobbled up all the other elder gods?
The Elder God purge took place billions of years before the Death Gods incident.
Originally posted by Damborgson
SA Mangog is a high skyfather.
No he isn't.
He's not even a skyfather.
He's a trans at most.
He has the durability of a skyfather but his offensive power sucks.
Lastly, one can't be skyfather status if they can be banished against their will by another Skyfather or below being.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mhmm
lol I'm referring to pre DCNU Superman.
Even so, Superman being afraid of Aquaman (not true) doesn't mean Aquaman could own or stalemate Superman.
I'm pretty sure Superman would beat Aquaman 10/10
and hence my point.
Fear isn't a feat when it is contradicted by on panel showings.
Originally posted by Mshinu
I think this one would most likely be an eternal stalemate. If I had to put money on one I would go with Trion.As for H1 I don`t think anyone takes him seriously. Not even his mom.
Odin respecting Mangog contradicts Mangog's power output shown.
We have flipped bridges koing Asgardians for crying out loud (like the gas station koing Superman). We have Thor falling off Mangog's head to the ground and getting hurt.
We have a weakened Odin fighting like a powerless old man on a horse with a sword. Nothing was shown to display Mangog's power output. We never see Mangog tank a full power blast of Odin, we never see Odin get the destroyer.
But rather we see Odin with ease dispatch of Mangog at least twice when Odin finally gains some sense and starts acting like a skyfather.
All Mangog shown was above herald level durability.
Mangog doesn't have infinite durability (no limits fallacy) as that would mean LT couldn't kill him with a blast.
We base durability off what a character has tanked, and how they tanked it. Mangog has never tanked something on the magnitude of someone punching through dimensions.
My gut feeling says Mangog will get wrecked if hit by those punches.