Trion Juggernaut Vs Silver Age Mangog

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Perhaps the problem is that H1 is confusing the MODERN version of Mangog with the Silver Age version.

Jurgens, writer noted for books produced in the 80s and 90s, was writing for a time readers today might not know of, as his stories are, what 20 years old? Possibly 30?

Yet they are still not far enough ago to qualify as Marvel's Silver Age, which would have been comprised of the stories crafted in the 1960s and 70s.

He's not confuse!! He has been told so many times it's ridiclous.

Even Juggernaut without his forcefield has shown insane durability and invincibility. And people tying his invincibility into his forcefield is stupid.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, I've never understood how feats like that can be quantified.

"Trion punched a hole through several dimensional walls!1!!111!" Okay, well exactly how much strength is required to do that? Because I sure as hell don't have a clue.

Don't know myself, but the same tom ****ery goes on with Prime doing it. It's a meh feat for me.. for all we know it's just a matter of where people strike the barrier as opposed to it requring some OMGZORS Strength

Even Jurgens Mangog has pushed Thor's sh*T in... What's also unclear is how people are arguing Cy isn't an elder God? huh? he's been an elder God since the jump. Whether that means he'll beat SA Mangog is another matter, but he was certainly classified as such from his inception.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Even Jurgens Mangog has pushed Thor's sh*T in... What's also unclear is how people are arguing Cy isn't an elder God? huh? he's been an elder God since the jump. Whether that means he'll beat SA Mangog is another matter, but he was certainly classified as such from his inception.

hes def an elder god and he'd pwn mangog which is y trion jugg pwns mangog (being he had the full ability of cyttorak)

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
hes def an elder god and he'd pwn mangog which is y trion jugg pwns mangog (being he had the full ability of cyttorak)

There is no proof of Cyttorak being a Elder God, it's speculations. Elder God is just a title, granted that there are some are powerful most sky fathers. SA Mangog will make Trion work for it, hell Cyttorak would probably drop Cain and give his power too Mangog who would fulfill Cyttorak dream of a ultimate avatar

the point is trion had full ability of cyttorak and would wreck mangog with it

Originally posted by Horrificus
Silence!! Clownish Oaf of Undetermined Gender!!

Mangog Knocks Thor Out #1:

There's no knockout there. Thor wasn't shown unconscious. Try again.

Mangog Knocks Thor Out #2:
Thor #157, Page 10- Mangog crushes Thor's arm with one claw and throws him down so hard, it knocks him out. (For the rest of the story, Thor is a badly injured arm. How often has THAT happened?) Mangog is about to kill Thor, but is distracted.
Thor #157, Page 11- Balder drags Thor's unconscious body out of the fight. Thor looked injured in the previous panel, but is clearly limp as Balder drags him away.

Mangog Knocks Thor Out #3:
Thor #198, Page 6- Mangog strikes/throws Thor so hard, he is knocked out again.
Thor #198, Page 8- Thor is shown unconscious while Odin ineffectually strikes Mangog, is grabbed and tossed away. I, personally, have never seen any opponent do this to Odin, full-powered or weakened.
Thor #198, Page 12- Thor wakes up from his KO, 6 pages later, backed up by narration.

Mangog as Odin, Knocks Thor Out #4:
Thor #250, Page 6- In this story, Mangog is disguised as Odin while Odin has disappeared. Mangog uses a blast to knock Thor out this time.
Thor #250, Page 7- Thor is shown, unconscious, being carried away.

I must thank you, h1... whatever. You have helped me discover something of Mangog.

It would seem that we have a new, until now, undiscovered/unclassified attack, akin to the fabled "Thunderclap" of Hulk fame.

The attack used by Mangog in knocking Thor out 3 times, is also used during his first 3 appearances to knock out the entire Asgardian Army and bring a Full-Power Odin to the point of surrender and then knock out a less-than full-power Odin.

Mangog seems to be able to throw his opponents, throw geography, throw armies, etc, resulting in High-End KO's! He flips them and throws them, up and down. And, they end up unconscious.

Odin (normal power) was never shown to ever attack Mangog.
Mangog never really koed Thor. The one scene where Thor is clearly shown unconscious was due to falling a few feet from the air. Mangog never hit him.
The other scene disguised as Odin, I have to read tonight when I get home.

Now you see that Mangog has shitty power output on average.

That arc had the worst durability I ever saw. Thor and the Asgardians were jobbing their asses off. And it's clear the writer only wanted a weakened Odin to engage Mangog. As Odin at normal power easily owned him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you even read the Thor comics? I have them. Mangog has never koed Thor. They battled many times over.
His power output sucks. Even Jurgens Mangog has hit Thor literally hundreds of times (the recorder shows this) and still wasn't able to ko Thor.

ive read the comics and the scans posted pretty much confirm this.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Pluto
Seth
Hela
Mesphisto
Lilith
etc are death gods low Sky Fathers level beings, these are the ones and other that got rage stomp by Atum/Demogorge.

as where Set, Chthon, Belezaar, Gaea, Oshtur, Agammotto, Atum The God Eater/Demogorge, Rune King Thor and SA Odin

Set, Chthon are the two that ran away when Atum was killing the fallen Elder gods that turned demons and restore order on Earth.

Must've mixed set and seth.

Originally posted by deathlife
ive read the comics and the scans posted pretty much confirm this.

We have Thor and Mangog battling many times.
Thor gets lifted a few feet in the air and falls to the ground and gets koed. This worst than the gas station koing Superman. Holds no water with me.
We also have Thor falling off Mangog's head to the ground and hurting his arm. WTF is that?

Asgardians get lifted in the air and falls from a height of about 30ft and get koed.

Odin was acting like he has no powers and was trying to go to war with plain horses and swords. The whole arc stinked and portrayed the Asgardians more or less as human. You can't get around the falling to the ground from a few feet and getting koed. That's a human quality there.
But when Odin actually used his powers he one shotted Mangog.

So I change my statement to
Mangog has never koed Thor directly by hitting him. Even if Mangog was capable of koing Thor then so is any other herald.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
the point is trion had full ability of cyttorak and would wreck mangog with it

SA Odin couldn't wreck SA Mangog, and SA Odin was considering at that time to be Galactus equal or a notch below give or take, speaks volume on how powerful SA Mangog. Too the point Odin had to teleport Asgard out it's own home dimension to another dimension to keep Mangog away from the Odin sword. SA Mangog was Sky Father level in power, he was taken everything Asgard had to offer, they couldn't even slow him down, they even used their most powerful weapon the Asgardian canon and Mangog tank that.

Too this day no one, I mean no one has ever manhandle Odin like the way Mangog did. And for all we know Cyttorak would be Sky Father level but just old as hell, until marvel starts writing stories we have no clue.

Stalemate at best!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
SA Odin couldn't wreck SA Mangog, and SA Odin was considering at that time to be Galactus equal or a notch below give or take, speaks volume on how powerful SA Mangog. Too the point Odin had to teleport Asgard out it's own home dimension to another dimension to keep Mangog away from the Odin sword. SA Mangog was Sky Father level in power, he was taken everything Asgard had to offer, they couldn't even slow him down, they even used their most powerful weapon the Asgardian canon and Mangog tank that.

Too this day no one, I mean no one has ever manhandle Odin like the way Mangog did. And for all we know Cyttorak would be Sky Father level but just old as hell, until marvel starts writing stories we have no clue.

Stalemate at best!!

So what's the better evidence
Implied power or shown power?
What if shown power contradicts implied power do we still go by implied power?

Originally posted by h1a8
So what's the better evidence
Implied power or shown power?
What if shown power contradicts implied power do we still go by implied power?

Am I talking to you, no!!

I don't waste my time with a troll like you

Originally posted by the Darkone
Am I talking to you, no!!

I don't waste my time with a troll like you

But you are being bias here Darkone. I'm not trying to troll you.

Was Odin at full power shown attacking Mangog? The most powerful being who attacked Mangog was Thor.
What happened when Odin actually attacked Mangog? Mangog was instantly defeated right?
It was stated on panel by Thor that Mangog was exaggerating his power. And Thor said that Odin easily beat him.

Mangog has physically struck Thor throughout their fights and not koed or killed Thor. This don't seem like skyfather level power to me.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you are being bias here Darkone. I'm not trying to troll you.

Was Odin at full power shown attacking Mangog? The most powerful being who attacked Mangog was Thor.
What happened when Odin actually attacked Mangog? Mangog was instantly defeated right?
It was stated on panel by Thor that Mangog was exaggerating his power. And Thor said that Odin easily beat him.

Mangog has physically struck Thor throughout their fights and not koed or killed Thor. This don't seem like skyfather level power to me.

You can't call nobody bias, you better look in the mirror first if it doesn't crack from your stupidity. Your the biggest low balling, trolling , bias king on here. People have schooled you some many times it's pathetic, you constantly down playing on panel proof and statements, and trying act like you know WTH you are talking about.

No one cares what you think, your bias and the biggest troll on here. Read some comics and try to comprehend.

Originally posted by the Darkone
You can't call nobody bias, you better look in the mirror first if it doesn't crack from your stupidity. Your the biggest low balling, trolling , bias king on here. People have schooled you some many times it's pathetic, you constantly down playing on panel proof and statements, and trying act like you know WTH you are talking about.

No one cares what you think, your bias and the biggest troll on here. Read some comics and try to comprehend.

It's all posted here forever. His arguments boil down to the fact that he doesn't like what was put on the pages of the books.

End of story.

Originally posted by the Darkone
You can't call nobody bias, you better look in the mirror first if it doesn't crack from your stupidity. Your the biggest low balling, trolling , bias king on here. People have schooled you some many times it's pathetic, you constantly down playing on panel proof and statements, and trying act like you know WTH you are talking about.

No one cares what you think, your bias and the biggest troll on here. Read some comics and try to comprehend.

Name one feat I lowballed.

Originally posted by Horrificus
No problemo. He has just been pounded. His arguments are ridiculous and completely disregard the books themselves.

It's all posted here forever. His arguments boil down to the fact that he doesn't like what was put on the pages of the books.

End of story.

You are willing to use stupid feats that show superhuman characters not getting touched by Mangog yet falling from a few feet and getting koed by the ground. And you don't see that is worst than Superman getting koed by a gas station. Yet it proves Mangog can damage Classic Juggs let alone Trion?

Originally posted by h1a8
Name one feat I lowballed.

Are you serious your going to play dumb,you are low balling SA Mangog right now. SA Mangog is a Sky Father level being who in turn defeated the most elite Sky Father in SA Odin, but you are telling everybody here that SA Manog is trans, he' not that powerful. If he wasn't that powerful than how he defeat a Sky Father level being in Odin. Trans beings can't even tickle Sky Fathers of Odin caliber, you down play Thor, Mangog, Thanos, hell any Marvel character that goes against a DC character.

You are troll nothing more, your the biggest bias , low balling member on here, what makes it worse you are acting like you know what you are talking about which makes twice as ignorant.