Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor runs the gauntlet...

The Anti-Montor, with the incredible amount of power he amassed at the Dawn of Time, runs the following gauntlet...

The Anti-Monitor is restored to full strength after each round and all battles are to the Death or KO with no BFR...

1) 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer...
2) Adult Franklin Richards...
3) The 4th Celestial Host...
4) The Galactus Engine...
5) Zero Hour Parallax...
6) Black Celestial Arc Galactus...
7) The Living Tribunal...
8) Scathan...
9) Pre-retcon Molecule Man...

Once again, how far for Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor get?

Stops at 7

6.

is he that much more powerful then franky?

Stops at 7 although I don't know what Scathan is so high

Scathan is suppose to have stoped a mutant or someone who not even the LT could have. I dont think the LT should be so high. He has failed fighting Korvac and said mutant. He even was beaten by a gun invented by Reed Richards. But I believe he was retconned. In the beginning. There was no avatars for the LT now there are.

The question is. Are we dealing with THEE LT that is suppose to hold Megaverses in his hands? Or an avatar who loses to Korvac.

^^^ There's no such thing as LT "weaker avatars" ... and never have been.

The LT is the LT full and complete every single time from its conception.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope

dont think the LT should be so high.

He has failed fighting Korvac and said mutant.

He even was beaten by a gun invented by Reed Richards.

Reed beat the LT? 😆 (sorry, for that one, I can only lol)

Originally posted by ThereIsHope

In the beginning. There was no avatars for the LT now there are.

The LT is one of Marvel's Conceptual Abstract ideas taking form. (Judgement)

All Marvel Concepts (Eternity and so on)
employ "M-bodys" to manifest their full power and selves.

Korvac fought LT in a WHAT IF comic. The LT has an M body. or else your saying tha the LT failed?

The M-BODY did not exist for the LT in the beginning. He was THE LT in every appearance. Now he has an M-body unless I am Mistaken. The point is he lost to Korvac, and to Reed Richards in an alternate universe.

@Whoever believes that this version of the Anti-Monitor cant get past 1...

What would you be basing a 2000ft Destroyer win upon!? LoL...

Please, please, show yourself so the rest of us can point at you and laugh...

@Mr Master

Arent all showings made by the LT canon for the LT as it is unique?

I am prettty sure thats what the consensus is around here and with that being said, ThereIsHope is absolutely correct; the LT lost to an alt Korvac and to Reed Richards...

Now did he job in those showings? Absolutely given what he is supposed to be, but thats a different topic...

But its pretty clear to me; the LT is not undefeated and is not immune to jobber syndrome...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Mr Master

Arent all showings made by the LT canon for the LT as it is unique?

I am prettty sure thats what the consensus is around here and with that being said, ThereIsHope is absolutely correct; the LT lost to an alt Korvac and to Reed Richards...

Now did he job in those showings? Absolutely given what he is supposed to be, but thats a different topic...

But its pretty clear to me; the LT is not undefeated and is not immune to jobber syndrome...

Probaly 6

What If's are alternate universes and you admitted there all the same.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope

1) Korvac fought LT in a WHAT IF comic.

2) The LT has an M body. or else your saying tha the LT failed?

3) The M-BODY did not exist for the LT in the beginning.
He was THE LT in every appearance.
Now he has an M-body unless I am Mistaken.

4) The point is he lost to Korvac, and to Reed Richards in an alternate universe.

2) "M-bodys" make absolutely NO difference as to the Concepts power,
M-body, no body = same amount of power!
M-body is simply a form given to a formless sentience, through said form,
formless entities exercise their full power.

3) #2 Answer takes care of this.

4) Waiting on that issue where LT lost to Korvac,
and I also wanna see the LT and Reed battling where Reed won. 😂

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You're gonna have ta bare with my antics, I'm kinda stoned right now,
I know exactly what you're referring too concerning Reed, Korvac and LT,
but I see you really have no idea on the context behind the
selective scans that misleads anyone who didn't read the stories.

When whoever attempts to pull out What IF #32 or Last Planet Standing,
I gots the scanned reality of what really took place,
and how the LT never lost to Korvac who Never confronted him btw, or
Reed via that stipulated plot induced bull shit

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

@Mr Master

1) Arent all showings made by the LT canon for the LT as it is unique?

2) I am prettty sure thats what the consensus is around here and with
that being said, ThereIsHope is absolutely correct; the LT lost to an alt
Korvac and to Reed Richards...

3) Now did he job in those showings?
Absolutely given what he is supposed to be, but thats a different topic...

4) But its pretty clear to me; the LT is not undefeated
and is not immune to jobber syndrome...

2) I'm waiting for Hope to show me where the LT ever battled Reed,
and also where Korvac ever confronted the LT.
I guess I can ask the same of you.

3) I'm ready to talk about it,
cause yall are a bit confused about what happened in those stories.

4) The LT's only lost is to THOTI. (TOAA's in-universe power)
The only other thing to clearly be above the LT was Protege & Scathan.
(but that's about 1000 years from now so ... meh)

@Mr Master

2) Think of Reed vs the LT like this:
a)The LT's goal in that comic was to nuke everything in the way (which would have included Earth) to stop Galactus...
b) Reed's plan; stop the Tribunal and the rest of the cosmics from nuking Earth...

Aftermath: The Living Tribunal gets the crap nuked out of him and Earth is spared the Tribunals threat...

The Tribunals plan=failed.
Reeds plan=success!

Reed>>The Living Tribunal in that story arc...

Korvac vs the LT:
a) LT's plan; to render his ultimate judgement upon Korvac..
b) Korvacs plan; to shield himself from that "ultimate judgement"...

Aftermath: The Living Tribunal told the remaining cosmics good luck, fled that universe like a coward, slammed the door shut, and locked it behind him...

The Living Tribunals plan=fail.
Korvacs plan=success!

Korvac>>The Living Tribunal in that arc...

So no...I am not confused at all about what happened in those stories...

AM steamrolls through 1-6. Stops cold at 7.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

@Mr Master

2) Think of Reed vs the LT like this:
a)The LT's goal in that comic was to nuke everything in the way
(which would have included Earth) to stop Galactus...
b) Reed's plan; stop the Tribunal and the rest of the cosmics from
nuking Earth...

Aftermath: The Living Tribunal gets the crap nuked out of him and
Earth is spared the Tribunals threat...

The Tribunals plan=failed.
Reeds plan=success!

Reed>>The Living Tribunal in that story arc...

That's what I wanted yall to understand.

Btw. The LT didn't get "the crap nuked out of him" lol

The LT's power in combination with the most of the cosmic hierarchy power
Merged ... (making a ball/bomb of energy)
then Reed (unbeknownst to the Cosmics' senses) 😂
shot his canon into That concentration of power (ball/bomb)
This cause a feedback (of their own powers) and bfr'd the Cosmics into other dimensions.

So yea, under those circumstances,
where we have a less than omniscient LT,
(who needs help to off an Alternate Galactus) 😐
who decides to Merged his power with the Abstracts into a ball of energy,
and has said ball of energy to be used against him
with a blast coming from Many miles away by some canon built to kill that Alt G,
yea, then give Reed that constricted scenario and he meets that objective all the time.

Now, although the writer attempted to explain away the
monumental nonsense of this, it still borders on one of the worst
(and historically unrelated) portrayals of the LT.

I still haven't seen this story recognized in any bio to date.

I'm glad about that.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Korvac vs the LT:
a) LT's plan; to render his ultimate judgement upon Korvac..
b) Korvacs plan; to shield himself from that "ultimate judgement"...

Aftermath: The Living Tribunal told the remaining cosmics good luck, fled that universe like a coward, slammed the door shut, and locked it behind him...

The Living Tribunals plan=fail.
Korvacs plan=success!

Korvac>>The Living Tribunal in that arc...

That's what I wanted yall to understand.

You say Korvac shielded himself from supposed ultimate judgement,
when 1) Korvac didn't know the LT was ever there
2) Korvac never knew he was being attacked
3) I don't know, you don't know who shielded Korvac's world (perhaps Death)

Makes little difference, it was just the local Sun going Nova that was tanked.

Anyway, "ultimate judgement" my ass.

LT didn't strike Korvac once with his own power.

I rather take his "ultimate judgement" in that What IF when he ripped Korvac's entire Universe from the Multiverse to seal it away
in an impenetrable barrier which Korvac himself could not escape.

That silly Sun going Nova garbage was the writer getting the LT out of there,
so Korvac can erase that Universe with the UN since that was the plot.

That's another thing right there:

I can't destroy a single universe > LT? ❌

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

So no...I am not confused at all about what happened in those stories...

Stop at the Galactus Engine (which I believe is MORE powerful than BCA Galactus).

@ Mr Master
I sorta agree with LoM on this one my friend. I just chalk it up to PIS or low showings.

But I do agree with you that some outside force (Death) saved Korvac. Remember that scan I posted a while back showing Death's visage in Korvac's shadow?

Originally posted by Galan007
AM steamrolls through 1-6. Stops cold at 7.

sounds mostly right to me, but i wonder about 7. i think both companies have shown SOME inclination toward equating spectre and lt. maybe not a direct correlation, but....both have been kinda/sorta depicted as being the 'voices' of the ones above all. clearly they have some differences as well, along with some inconsistent showings, but i'm speaking in a more general sense. imo, it's pretty easy to envision LT playing the spectre's role in coie. if we go by that particular assumption, i'm not so sure i agree that he stops cold there. lt has also been given a chance to evolve some as a character, which colours our impressions, and the term 'cosmic' has taken on new depths and new meanings. i think it's a lot closer if we compare that era's lt with coie am.

scathan is an anomaly that really can't be explained and shouldn't be included in these types of comparisons imo. owen obviously had some crazy uber feats, but...i have a hard time seeing own winning here. not sure why. again, i guess i have to fall back on the intent of the writers of coie, and just what am was intended to be and represent. if i put owen in that story, i just don't see him being the one responsible for stopping am, or being able to overpower him. maybe it's just me. shrug

@Mr Master

As PIS'y as they were, the Tribunal failed at his goal in both senario's...

He had a specific agenda that he wanted to achieve and both characters stopped him; yes it was definitely PIS, but the showings were canon to the LT and he lost...

PIS of the highest order? Most definitely...