Justice League (2018)

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but in that scenario they'd be looking forward to it as a sequel to BvS. Instead of the ensemble of other franchises it should be.

I'm convinced BvS would have been received far better had it been built up properly with a Batman solo, Wonder Woman solo and MOS sequel first.

Have to disagree, while solo follow-up films of WW and BM might have helped the continuity of BvS slightly, nothing short of a rewrite would make BvS a good SH flick. Synder delivered a turd, polishing it until it's shiny won't help much, imo.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but in that scenario they'd be looking forward to it as a sequel to BvS. Instead of the ensemble of other franchises it should be.

I'm convinced BvS would have been received far better had it been built up properly with a Batman solo, Wonder Woman solo and MOS sequel first.

It would have been received far better if it was a legitimately great movie instead it was a mess that had a couple great moments. IMO that is why they decided to open it in all the major markets simultaneously. they knew WOM was going to kill it and so wanted to get all the money they could before the GA realized it wasn't anywhere near as good as promised.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It would have been received far better if it was a legitimately great movie instead it was a mess that had a couple great moments. IMO that is why they decided to open it in all the major markets simultaneously. they knew WOM was going to kill it and so wanted to get all the money they could before the GA realized it wasn't anywhere near as good as promised.

Or perhaps they knew critics were going to do it some serious damage, so left the embargo as late as possible and released it everywhere at once to minimise their damage.

I know people who have not bothered to watch it based solely on reviews. And apparently bad reviews have a larger effect the longer a movie is out.

Let's not forget the audience rating for this is still 70%+ on almost every site, so it doesn't seem like the majority think this sucks. Probably disappointed and slightly confused though.

Do you think the critics would have bad mouthed it if BvS was a legitimately great movie?

Originally posted by Zack M
😂 That's why it's making money. Stop being an idiot, Bruce. Yes, it didn't make as much as they were hoping, but it's far from a failure.

little snot nosed punk, feel free and spin it any way you like.. after all that must be your new job at WB . Spinmaster... This film MUST MAKE $1 .5 BILLION DOLLARS to be a financial success.. I have already said it doesn't look like it will make another $200 million let alone $400 million and many people already agree with that... please run along and play with Hack , Campea and many other idiots while you are underneath the table....

but first please tell me about movie making 101 and how this is a success

hahahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by quanchi112
It hasn't even made enough money to be considered a success yet. Legendary drop off in week two with no competition. 😉

a few sites have already said this might not even win this week at the box office.. already in China they are dropping screens since London Has Fallen and Huntsman: Winter's War open there this week and they are expected to take money away from the shitfest known as Bats v Supes

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Suicide Squad will be the big test of the demand for the DCEU.

But I think BvS has proven there's not the kind of demand for JL as there should be yet.

WB is already 0 for 2 where their Cinematic Universe is concerned. They and Golgo will spin it very hard to hope that people go see in hopes of saving their Cinematic Universe

Originally posted by Zack M
😂 That's why it's making money. Stop being an idiot, Bruce. Yes, it didn't make as much as they were hoping, but it's far from a failure.

Zack, studios also look at potential money lost even when a film breaks budget and earns. So even if BvS ends up earning $500,000 in solid profit(not likely at this point), there's the fact that it could have made more, much more as we have comparable films to weigh it against.

Check out Avengers, it earned 1.5bil WW, cost $220mil to make; even if we double that for marketing and say it cost $440mil, it still made over a billion in profit.

That's 500mil+ more BvS could have potentially made, the studio for whatever reason isn't asking itself why. If they are, they're being secretive about it since on the surface they're doing a "we're not worried" and for god knows why they haven't written Synder a severance check and set his ass packing from JL.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you think the critics would have bad mouthed it if BvS was a legitimately great movie?

And do you think the audience would have rated it 70%+ if it was a legitimately bad movie?

With critics you're talking about the same people who supported IM3 from the start of its massive financial run to the end, helping to boost that garbage the whole way.

BvS was legitimately > IM3.

Point- I don't care for the opinions of critics. But turns out the GA does. Plus this film was getting mixed reviews from audiences anyway. So put both together, and there was just too much negativity surrounding this movie for it to become the mass cultural hit that it potentially could have been.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zack, studios also look at potential money lost even when a film breaks budget and earns. So even if BvS ends up earning $500,000 in solid profit(not likely at this point), there's the fact that it could have made more, much more as we have comparable films to weigh it against.

Check out Avengers, it earned 1.5bil WW, cost $220mil to make; even if we double that for marketing and say it cost $440mil, it still made over a billion in profit.

That's 500mil+ more BvS could have potentially made, the studio for whatever reason isn't asking itself why. If they are, they're being secretive about it since on the surface they're doing a "we're not worried" and for god knows why they haven't written Synder a severance check and set his ass packing from JL.

The only logical explanation I can think of is that they don't care much about making JL a 1.5Billion hit, and are indeed just using it to gross a quick Billion to promote all the spin off's like Flash, Aquaman and Batman, where they are hoping to make their real profit.

Knowing what multi-character films can produce in terms of profit and just going "nah, we don't want that, we'll pick it up elsewhere, maybe" isn't logical; if that is truly WB's mindset, then the board and top investors need to fire the top execs at WB.

Cos if Synder produces another BvS-esque quality film with JL, they won't make a billion dollars with that either. BvS's low to meh scores don't help the future JL flick, they'll be some people who will avoid going to the theater because of how bad BvS was.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And do you think the audience would have rated it 70%+ if it was a legitimately bad movie?

With critics you're talking about the same people who supported IM3 from the start of its massive financial run to the end, helping to boost that garbage the whole way.

BvS was legitimately > IM3.

Point- I don't care for the opinions of critics. But turns out the GA does. Plus this film was getting mixed reviews from audiences anyway. So put both together, and there was just too much negativity surrounding this movie for it to become the mass cultural hit that it potentially could have been.

I can't tell, are you saying that you do believe the critics would still be bad mouthing this if it was a legitimately good movie?

As for the GA score, I never said BvS was a legitimately bad movie, I've said it was ok with a couple good to great moments which makes 70% about right.

To the guy that said DC was 0-2 in it's cinematic universe, it's first two films grossed 1.351 billion dollars and counting.

I wouldn't call that a loosing record.

Marvels first 3 grossed 1.472 billion.

So, you'd be happy if all the DCU movies were of MoS/BvS quality?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you'd be happy if all the DCU movies were of MoS/BvS quality?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hell no. Critically they are failures but not financially.

So you'd be happy if future movies were of the same quality, but still made decent money?

No matter how good this film is, I hope it earns a billion!

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you'd be happy if future movies were of the same quality, but still made decent money?

And on a good note the next two films....NO SNYDER!!!!!!!

So that is a yes, as long as the films make good money, you're happy with BvS level quality.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So that is a yes, as long as the films make good money, you're happy with BvS level quality.

It's nice to know that you don't care about how good a movie is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's nice to know that you don't care about how good a movie is.