Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You missed the part where the sword has country-to-planetary scale magic? That's what it takes to give Ganondorf a timeout. Voldemort's magic would be useless.

Find a feat that suggests otherwise and I'll give you my attention again, I know how much you want that.

Prove Voldemort's magic would be worthless since the sages easily defeated Dorf prior to Link.

If you haven't seen the movies then say so, featboy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Silver Surfer is vastly more powerful than Voldemort or Avada Kedavra, more powerful than the goddesses who created the Triforce.

Voldemort isn't. 👆

Nice strawman you have there. Of course you don't even know what a strawman is.

He was killed by the Master Sword, which explicitly is his weakness. 👆

The avada kedavra has nothing to do with durability. It's purpose is to kill you. You have to prove Dorf can resist this type of curse and it has nothing to do with durability.

You just agreed he can killed outside his weakness via the Surfer so you admitted that isn't the only way. I am making progress considering of course you know what progress means.

Avada Kedavra kills him since that is what it does.

In order for it to kill him it'd have to hit him, he'd have to not swat it away, it'd have to somehow penetrate his magic resistance, then it would have to overcome his immortality courtesy of the ToP, then he'd have to willingly remain lying down.

So if the first one happened (it won't) the second might because Voldemort's magic doesn't so much as tickle a being like Ganondorf, it wouldn't penetrate his magic resistance, it takes extremely powerful magic to do that, like the Master Sword which while depowered held at least an entire country in an indefinite time stop, and it certainly isn't overcoming the ToP, and Ganon letting Voldemort win is out of the question.

So, no, Quan, no.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove Voldemort's magic would be worthless since the sages easily defeated Dorf prior to Link.

The Killing Curse can be blocked and reflected, something Dorf frequently does with his own magic attacks against Link. If Tom fires it it can be hit right back at him.

Edit: Dammit Scream... Oh, and Dorf has his own killing curse to throw around. Even if Tom's soul lives, his body is destroyed by killing curses.

Edit2: Dodging arrows > dodging the curse beam.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In order for it to kill him it'd have to hit him, he'd have to not swat it away, it'd have to somehow penetrate his magic resistance, then it would have to overcome his immortality courtesy of the ToP, then he'd have to willingly remain lying down.

So if the first one happened (it won't) the second might because Voldemort's magic doesn't so much as tickle a being like Ganondorf, it wouldn't penetrate his magic resistance, it takes extremely powerful magic to do that, like the Master Sword which while depowered held at least an entire country in an indefinite time stop, and it certainly isn't overcoming the ToP, and Ganon letting Voldemort win is out of the question.

So, no, Quan, no.

You claiming it won't tickle him when he hasn't shrugged off direct magic yet is hilarious. When did the sword do so in this game ? That also has nothing to do with anything and is more like a spell.

Voldemort kills him with one spell since Dorf will just try to tank it in character.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Cant really compare that Ganondorf to the one you fight in the game. That Dorf was defeated by unknown means besides knowing that it involved the 7 sages who are powerful entities in LoZ lore, without him having the ToP until the second before a portal opened up and also before he got an upgrade from gaining power over Twilight.

The Killing Curse can be blocked and reflected, something Dorf frequently does with his own magic attacks against Link. If Tom fires it it can be hit right back at him.

Edit: Dammit Scream... Oh, and Dorf has his own killing curse to throw around. Even if Tom's soul lives, his body is destroyed by killing curses.

Edit2: Dodging arrows > dodging the curse beam.

It an be blocked but the item is destroyed. When has it been reflected in the films in a manner Dorf can replicate ?

Give me an example of Dorf reflecting magic cast at him.

Tom Riddle wins. He is more powerful and has a killing curse that will live up to it's name. Dorf was defeated and easily both times he reared his ugly head.

Voldemort's more powerful than a guy who overlapped two dimensions across an entire country with only a fraction of his power? haermm Adorable. I'll let you wear the cat ears while I 'feed' you tonight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, we can gauge him. He was defeated by wizards despite his triforce of power amp he still lost. When he later gets his other supposed upgrade Link still bests him.

It an be blocked but the item is destroyed. When has it been reflected in the films in a manner Dorf can replicate ?

Give me an example of Dorf reflecting magic cast at him.

Tom Riddle wins. He is more powerful and has a killing curse that will live up to it's name. Dorf was defeated and easily both times he reared his ugly head.

Lost = getting sucked into a portal, and thats before he got the full power of the ToP which gradually increases over time as seen with Link. That Dorf < Dorf with full power over the ToP < Dorf with Twilight.
And you really cant compare him being bested and stabbed by Link with a holy sword and holy arrows to Tom. Holy paladin =/= dark wizard.

First we have it being rebounded back at him by Lily's charm. Second we have it being stalemated by magical attacks. Third is this;
" 'I have nothing more to say to you, Potter,' he said quietly. 'You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA!'
Harry had not even opened his mouth to resist; his mind was blank, his wand pointing uselessly at the floor.
But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth to land with a crash on the floor between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms to protect Harry."

Those three points together says that objects aren't always destroyed, it can be blocked by magic and that it can be deflected.

Agahnim ALttP, Agahnim's shadow LA (Both Ganondorf), Ganondorf OoT, Ganondorf possessing Zelda TP. They all shoot magical attacks at Link, and when he deflects them he can redeflect them back.

If Dorf can dodge an arrow, why cant he dodge this? Also counter to Dorfs death curse?

Ganondorf for the win.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Voldemort's more powerful than a guy who overlapped two dimensions across an entire country with only a fraction of his power? haermm Adorable. I'll let you wear the cat ears while I 'feed' you tonight.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lost = getting sucked into a portal, and thats before he got the full power of the ToP which gradually increases over time as seen with Link. That Dorf < Dorf with full power over the ToP < Dorf with Twilight.
And you really cant compare him being bested and stabbed by Link with a holy sword and holy arrows to Tom. Holy paladin =/= dark wizard.

You claim he was upgraded again but he was still defeated by a hero who lacked experience. Yes, I can. Titles are titles. You can pretend the sword is badass all you want because it killed the amped Dorf. I know the sword gave him no advantages over his enemies in the game. Link relied on Midna's aid, gear, and skill throughout his mega quest.

First we have it being rebounded back at him by Lily's charm. Second we have it being stalemated by magical attacks. Third is this;
" 'I have nothing more to say to you, Potter,' he said quietly. 'You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA!'[/B]

Harry had not even opened his mouth to resist; his mind was blank, his wand pointing uselessly at the floor.
But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth to land with a crash on the floor between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms to protect Harry."[/B]

Those three points together says that objects aren't always destroyed, it can be blocked by magic and that it can be deflected.[/B]

Agahnim ALttP, Agahnim's shadow LA (Both Ganondorf), Ganondorf OoT, Ganondorf possessing Zelda TP. They all shoot magical attacks at Link, and when he deflects them he can redeflect them back.

If Dorf can dodge an arrow, why cant he dodge this? Also counter to Dorfs death curse? [/B]

You can pretend the sword is badass all you want because it killed the amped Dorf.

A planetary level, sentient artifact, created to fight evil, and as a failsafe against the power of the completed triforce is a lot more impressive than a single target, easily dodged spell which can backfire if someone's mom gave a shit about them.

Sorry, boyo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A planetary level, sentient artifact, created to fight evil, and as a failsafe against the power of the completed triforce is a lot more impressive than a single target, easily dodged spell which can backfire if someone's mom gave a shit about them.

Sorry, boyo.

Dorf's power on his own had him as a submissive for the sages. Awful.

Avada Kedavra.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole really must turn you on. The sword killed him. The sword gives Link no advantages over anyone in that game. Just because it kills the 0-3 amped Dorf don't try to oversell it.

Dorf's power on his own had him as a submissive for the sages. Awful.

Avada Kedavra.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
None of that's hyperbole, that's the great part. You're trying to compare a small time spell to something more powerful on it's own than every character in Harry Potter combined.

Indeed he does. He's 1, too fast to be hit, 2, too resistant to magic to be affected, 3, capable of reflecting it with a swat, 4, not even incapacitated from 'dying' by normal means, so even if it did kill him he'd still win the fight.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Indeed he does. He's 1, too fast to be hit, 2, too resistant to magic to be affected, 3, capable of reflecting it with a swat, 4, not even incapacitated from 'dying' by normal means, so even if it did kill him he'd still win the fight.

He was chained up when the Sage attacked him. And that only pissed him off.

The outside amp let him resist the sword but the avada kedavra is instant death.

Avada kedavra is small potatoes next to the master sword, so, no, it isn't.

You don't seem to realize Ganon is what Voldemort wants to be when he grows up. The things Voldemort attempted to do, Ganon succeeded at.

Horcruxes why? For immortality. Becoming unrivalled in power? Ganon achieved this, Voldemort did not.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was chained up when the Sage attacked him. And that only pissed him off.