Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once said Tom defeats him in this manner but it does show how slow he is to react to attacks. He sat there as they did so.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am glad you concede he is upgraded or amped.I am also glad you admit the sword isn't really that powerful it's just anti Dorf. Link shows despite his lack of experience he can best dorf in a sword duel. That's just in Hyrule so Hyrule and Dorf specifically have no proven defenses against the killing curse.
Besides not making the pro to the swords strength, nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf and nor is 'who has the better sword skills'. I ask you to keep on track on both mine and your topic points.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am not.His own inside another body. The attack is also very slow. We are just using Tp versions only. Dorf didn't repel the sages magic when it was used against him.
He reflects his own magic in another body which is coming at a very slow rate of speed at him.
Did I mention the speed? No, Im talking about deflecting, keep on topic. How do you expect him do defect a portal..?
What proof do you have that magic attacks cant be deflected? Prove something.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it then. You claim it can so provide the links.You clearly don't know. That's the problem with you zelda fans you argue without even being somewhat familiar with his opponent.
Youve seen the films, right? So you should remember the scene or know where to look for it. Atm cba getting links for someone that dosent provide any himself. Youtube it.
Movie = small burst
Novel = can be blocked
Seen all the films several times over and read half the books.. come again?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they do. You'd have to prove they are equal and in character. If I see someone gunned down irl and dedicate my life to martial arts then I am not equal to me living a life as a monk. This is only due to this game. Quit trying to break the rules because you love Dorf.That isn't canon iirc an if he decides to use beast form it will be worse since he has to transform leaving himself vulnerable and since Midna just overpowers him when he gets close.
Crucio and dorf is on his back in extreme pain.
You believe that the gameplay which makes Link take damage from any mook is canon, so the in-built code which allows Dorf to dodge arrows sticks even more for being a set animation.
(Also why do you keep thinking Im such a huge LoZ fan? O.o)
What does Tom have against Dorf's killing curse?
Originally posted by BloodRainDorf stood by as they reacted. Their actions weren't super fast or anything. He just stood back and was beaten.
It instant the portals activated Dorf was being drawn into it. Nothing to do with reactions.I was the one who said the Twilight increased his powers
Besides not making the pro to the swords strength, nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf and nor is 'who has the better sword skills'. I ask you to keep on track on both mine and your topic points.
Despite his increased powers he still loses. LOL.
I really wish I understood this sentence of yours so clean it up and ask again. You claimed it can defeat him which makes it Anti Dorf. Now you don't think it does. LOL. Link wins due to beating him at the end by being a better swordsman which has to do with skill level.
I think he can do so against his own magic. His magic can be reflected by a sword. to begin with. That's not how it works with Harry Potter spells so no it isn't going to follow the same rules of Zelda magic. It's also not in character since he doesn't do so in this game anyway in his own flesh.
So you think Zelda, who is both physically and magically weaker than Dorf and using his sword and being spiritually possessed by him so much that she flies and shoots blasts that she couldn't do before... and you think he cant do this? Listen carefully.. Im not using OoT as a feat here, but it still proves that Dorf+ToP can deflect it.[/B]
portal is magic so since you claimed he can deflect magic why can't he deflect a portal ? I guess you concede the point.
Did I mention the speed? No, Im talking about deflecting, keep on topic. How do you expect him do defect a portal..?What proof do you have that magic attacks cant be deflected? Prove something.
Youve seen the films, right? So you should remember the scene or know where to look for it. Atm cba getting links for someone that dosent provide any himself. Youtube it.
Movie = small burst
Novel = can be blocked[/B]
It's your claim. You have zero examples of Dorf doing so in his own body. The only example you do have is him reflecting his own magic which was originally reflected by a sword. This isn't the case in the Potterverse. You can't just force Zelda's rules onto Potter magic. Prove it.
Refer to the movie I have no idea what you think you described. Which scene from which movie ?
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Start making clear points I have no idea what you are even referring to half the time. It seems like you want to confuse me or something.
Seen all the films several times over and read half the books.. come again?[/B]
I could care less which Dorf you think is better. TP Dorf you claim is better yet he was defeated three times. LOL. He's so ridiculously awesome despite losing no matter whatever amp he stumbles across.
Youre right, TP Dorf is better 🙂 OoT adult-timline Dorf has 7 years growth with the ToP. TP Dorf has many more years with the ToP, gains Twilight and a strong sword. TP Dorf has surpassed OoT Dorf.You believe that the gameplay which makes Link take damage from any mook is canon, so the in-built code which allows Dorf to dodge arrows sticks even more for being a set animation.
(Also why do you keep thinking Im such a huge LoZ fan? O.o)[/B]
It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.
I have no idea what you are even referring to as his killing curse ? Explain what you mean and make some sense for once in your life.What does Tom have against Dorf's killing curse? [/B]
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThey both count. One doesn't count while other doesn't. Life isn't black and white it's grey.
Canon feats > Gameplay.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, when they start spouting nonsense and start getting hypocritical the truth comes out. Dealwithit.
Because 'fanboy' is his default insult to anyone who happens to be correct around him.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Can't even people in HP's universe develop resistance to spells? Like, I recall reading that Hagrid can take hits from spells that drop regular people all day long.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Hagrid is half giant. That's why he can take such punishment.
I actually think this is quite interesting in regards to this fight, I mean the Harry Potter Spells are shown to not be one hit wonders, they don't just immidiately effect the target that they hit if that Target has resistance. I mean didn't it take like 15 stunners to put down a Dragon? So I for one can see the reason in asking the question what effect it will have on this battle and Voldemort abilities to attack Ganondorf with the level of magical resistance he has.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf stood by as they reacted. Their actions weren't super fast or anything. He just stood back and was beaten.Despite his increased powers he still loses. LOL.
I really wish I understood this sentence of yours so clean it up and ask again. You claimed it can defeat him which makes it Anti Dorf. Now you don't think it does. LOL. Link wins due to beating him at the end by being a better swordsman which has to do with skill level.
Oh I'm sorry, when was the Twilight increase meant to make him beat the ToC+Master Sword?
Do you listen? "nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf" Only being the key word. The Master Sword is not tailor made to be only an anti-Dorf weapon, its made to smite evil and counter the Triforce pieces.. two things that make up all of Dorfs powers.
Dorfs swordsmanship has nothing to do with this fight so I wont bother going into that.
"The legendary blade with the power to repel evil"
"Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword."
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he can do so against his own magic. His magic can be reflected by a sword. to begin with. That's not how it works with Harry Potter spells so no it isn't going to follow the same rules of Zelda magic. It's also not in character since he doesn't do so in this game anyway in his own flesh.portal is magic so since you claimed he can deflect magic why can't he deflect a portal ? I guess you concede the point.
It's your claim. You have zero examples of Dorf doing so in his own body. The only example you do have is him reflecting his own magic which was originally reflected by a sword. This isn't the case in the Potterverse. You can't just force Zelda's rules onto Potter magic. Prove it.
HP spells, especially stronger ones, are shot out in energy bursts. Thats what the portal isnt; an energy burst. The portal was a non-tangible, non-interactive light.. HP the killing curse is neither as it makes contact.
Yeah you've already admitted you think he can do it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Refer to the movie I have no idea what you think you described. Which scene from which movie ?
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Wait why am I getting proving this claim? The Killing Curse is a tangible spell that can be physically interacted with, just like the spells Dorf deflects and there is no reason to think otherwise. If you have something that says his spell cant be interacted with (unlikely as Rowling herself wrote that it can be) then show it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Start making clear points I have no idea what you are even referring to half the time. It seems like you want to confuse me or something.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less which Dorf you think is better. TP Dorf you claim is better yet he was defeated three times. LOL. He's so ridiculously awesome despite losing no matter whatever amp he stumbles across.It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.
What has being defeated by the Master Sword got to do with being better? Its like youre not even trying to remember that its the Master Sword.. the weapon that not only smites even but counteracts the Triforce.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea what you are even referring to as his killing curse ? Explain what you mean and make some sense for once in your life.
Ganondorf, the other guy in this thread, has a killing curse.. that kills.. what does Tom have to defend against a killing curse?
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.
So what youre saying is that Link suffering damage in gameplay is canon.. but Dorf dodging arrows in an in-built set animation is not?
1st fight is Zelda's possessed body, reflects magic.
2nd fight is as Ganon, can dodge arrows near the end of the fight.
3rd fight is on horseback.
4th fight is one-on-one with just Dorf, and he can dodge arrows.
These animations are more canon then receiving damage as the former will always happen, so you cant support one and ignore the other.
Originally posted by BloodRainDorf should have been assaulting the sages directing the attack. He just stood there and let them beat him. Tom's reflexes in his battle against Albus show how quick he reacts to attacks meant to kill him. Dorf will probably just sit there and let the attacks hit him based off his history.
What exactly was Dorf reacting to? The sages pointing to the wall behind them? An image flashing on the wall? Because thats literally all he could react to. Now, unless you have something that connects an untelegraphed, non-threatening passive attack to anything Tom's doing in a vs fight, I think you may as well drop it.Oh I'm sorry, when was the Twilight increase meant to make him beat the ToC+Master Sword?
So if it is anti evil and Dorf is the most evil guy in Hyrule it's tailor made to kill him. Dorf has powers of his own but he relies on the amp in most of the games because without it he's just some thief who is easily dominated by the sages like some common scab.
Do you listen? "nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf" Only being the key word. The Master Sword is not tailor made to be only an anti-Dorf weapon, its made to smite evil and counter the Triforce pieces.. two things that make up all of Dorfs powers.[/B]
Concession accepted.Dorfs swordsmanship has nothing to do with this fight so I wont bother going into that.[/B]
Yes, the master sword was designed to take someone out with the amped power of the triforce of power.
"The legendary blade with the power to repel evil"
"Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword."'Magic' sword, Sages Sword and Master Sword. So you admit that Dorf can reflect magic but are just hooked on some minor 'its different here' point? Thats a start.[/B]
I admit he can reflect his own magic which can also be repelled by a sword. I also admit it's out of character for him to do so in his own body.
Yes, they are but we have never seen Dorf do so in his own body against another's energy burst other than his own which can be repelled.
HP spells, especially stronger ones, are shot out in energy bursts. Thats what the portal isnt; an energy burst. The portal was a non-tangible, non-interactive light.. HP the killing curse is neither as it makes contact.Yeah you've already admitted you think he can do it.
4th film where he's resurrected. Can't remember the part in the 5th film.
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Read it again.
If you are referring to gof then you are trying to hide the context of the scene.
In the fifth film when he does attempt the killing curse ?
I never said it can't be interacted with. Dorf reflects his own blasts that can be repelled never opposing magic. The books aren't the movies so why would I search for anything Rowling said. They are only based on the books.
Wait why am I getting proving this claim? The Killing Curse is a tangible spell that can be physically interacted with, just like the spells Dorf deflects and there is no reason to think otherwise. If you have something that says his spell cant be interacted with (unlikely as Rowling herself wrote that it can be) then show it.For thinking Im not familiar with HP when Ive seen the film more times than I care for.
Not an opinion.[/B]
What ?
I am saying he was defeated due to skill level and what not. The sword doesn't handicap Dorf it just makes him vulnerable. Dorf didn't lose because the master sword negates his power it just can kill him. He died because Link was the better man.
What has being defeated by the Master Sword got to do with being better? Its like youre not even trying to remember that its the Master Sword.. the weapon that not only smites even but counteracts the Triforce.[/B]
No, he doesn't. He might have a killing attack but he does not have a killing curse. There's a difference and you claiming they are the same is just silliness.
Ive said it several times now how are you failing to grasp it?Ganondorf, the other guy in this thread, has a killing curse.. that kills.. what does Tom have to defend against a killing curse? [/B]
Originally posted by BloodRainIt is possible but it's also possible Link dies despite us knowing it's canon that Link will win out in the end. The dodging depends on the skill level of the player. Dorf can dodge but if you are good enough he won't.
Noticed I missed this before I could edit.So what youre saying is that Link suffering damage in gameplay is canon.. but Dorf dodging arrows in an in-built set animation is not?
1st fight is Zelda's possessed body, reflects magic.
2nd fight is as Ganon, can dodge arrows near the end of the fight.
3rd fight is on horseback.
4th fight is one-on-one with just Dorf, and he can dodge arrows.These animations are more canon then receiving damage as the former will always happen, so you cant support one and ignore the other.
I never shot an arrow at him when I fought him with my sword in the final battle.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf should have been assaulting the sages directing the attack. He just stood there and let them beat him. Tom's reflexes in his battle against Albus show how quick he reacts to attacks meant to kill him. Dorf will probably just sit there and let the attacks hit him based off his history.
And I dont need to ask if you know the difference between passively pointing at a wall to aggressively attacking.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So if it is anti evil and Dorf is the most evil guy in Hyrule it's tailor made to kill him. Dorf has powers of his own but he relies on the amp in most of the games because without it he's just some thief who is easily dominated by the sages like some common scab.
Tbh it is the ToP that makes him a major threat. Dorf without it was still a threat to everyone they they needed to band together to beat him.
But again this has nothing to do with this Dorf that does have it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the master sword was designed to take someone out with the amped power of the triforce of power.I admit he can reflect his own magic which can also be repelled by a sword. I also admit it's out of character for him to do so in his own body.
Yes, they are but we have never seen Dorf do so in his own body against another's energy burst other than his own which can be repelled.
Now do you have anything to suggest that its limited to his own magic? Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one? Theres nothing to prove this.
Also 'out of character' means that its not something he usually does, when in TP this only happens once, so there's no questions on 'character'. The Dorf with the same powers has done so with his body in two games just to get an over all.
"So you think Zelda, who is both physically and magically weaker than Dorf and using his sword and being spiritually possessed by him so much that she flies and shoots blasts that she couldn't do before... and you think he cant do this?"
Basically prove its limited to his magic and prove its not something he can do with his own body, even when we know a 'naked' Dorf did so.
ALSO just watched some things and HP spells are certainly able to be reflected, small bursts and beams alike.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you are referring to gof then you are trying to hide the context of the scene.In the fifth film when he does attempt the killing curse ?
And Dorf has a physical item that has proven to intercept magic.
It there anything that says his sword cant block it? Forget repel for a second, just block.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it can't be interacted with. Dorf reflects his own blasts that can be repelled never opposing magic. The books aren't the movies so why would I search for anything Rowling said. They are only based on the books.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What ?
I am saying he was defeated due to skill level and what not. The sword doesn't handicap Dorf it just makes him vulnerable. Dorf didn't lose because the master sword negates his power it just can kill him. He died because Link was the better man.
May as well say the same point youre making here with Tom losing to Harry. Or Tom getting his ass splattered by his own spell.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't. He might have a killing attack but he does not have a killing curse. There's a difference and you claiming they are the same is just silliness.
And yes, it was done by the 'exact' same version as the one in TP. On that note what has Tom got against anyth
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is possible but it's also possible Link dies despite us knowing it's canon that Link will win out in the end. The dodging depends on the skill level of the player. Dorf can dodge but if you are good enough he won't.I never shot an arrow at him when I fought him with my sword in the final battle.
Okay?
Originally posted by BloodRainDorf should have pressed the attack since all but one still directly opposed him. He sat back and let them cast their magic to defeat him.
Why should he? Was there a time limit, or some reason he had to defeat some non-attacking sages? Like I said, what was Dorf meant to be reacting to here? Pointing at a wall or the wall lighting up?And I dont need to ask if you know the difference between passively pointing at a wall to aggressively attacking.
The Master Sword was made to smite any evil that gains control of the Triforce, Dorf just happens to fit the bill just like any other evil force in LoZ (Vaati for example).
So you agree the sword from hyrule is made to smite Dorf. It's a checks and balances when someone starts getting creepy with the triforce of power.
Dorf and his thieves were a threat not just himself. Dorf became a threat once the triforce of power favored him.
Tbh it is the ToP that makes him a major threat. Dorf without it was still a threat to everyone they they needed to band together to beat him.[/B]
I agree that Dorf does need the amp to compete here.
But again this has nothing to do with this Dorf that does have it.If you want to debate it make a Ganondorf swordsman vs thread, as it is its admittedly not needed in non-sword fighting thread.[/B]
I was just making a few points but please don't be so sensitive about it from now on.
That's just hyperbole.And evil.. hence the whole 'to smite evil' and 'blade of evils bane' titles.
Now do you have anything to suggest that its limited to his own magic? Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one? Theres nothing to prove this.[/B]
The sages magic sure worked fine against him. It's the only instance when someone used their own magic against him. They bound and defeated him just fine. So it seems the evidence supports myself and not you.
We are only arguing about this Dorf. You Zelda fans always want to argue based off of every Dorf and break the rules of the thread. This isn't allowed nor will it be tolerated any further. Drop it.
Also 'out of character' means that its not something he usually does, when in TP this only happens once, so there's no questions on 'character'. The Dorf with the same powers has done so with his body in two games just to get an over all.[/B]
I think Dorf in Zelda's body can block his own attack which Link can also repel. That's pretty much it unless you can prove otherwise. I think it is just this specific attack.
"So you think Zelda, who is both physically and magically weaker than Dorf and using his sword and being spiritually possessed by him so much that she flies and shoots blasts that she couldn't do before... and you think he cant do this?"Basically prove its limited to his magic and prove its not something he can do with his own body, even when we know a 'naked' Dorf did so.[/B]
I don't have to since Link can repel just this attack with his sword. Do you have any instances of Link repelling any other magical attacks wit his sword in this game ?
Beams can be met with other beams of energy. That's true.
ALSO just watched some things and HP spells are certainly able to be reflected, small bursts and beams alike. [/B]
That wasn't an Avada kedavra. That was just a blast. Why do you assume it was an avada kedavra since he didn't say the words ?
How am I hiding it if you've seen the film? Harry hides being a monument, Tom fires and it chips the rock which falls in line with whats said in the book; it can be blocked by a physical item.[/B]
Dorf repelled his own magic which can be reflected by Link's sword or that specific attack. I don't think the sword will survive an avada kedavra personally. If he uses it to block once he doesn't have the option again.
And Dorf has a physical item that has proven to intercept magic.It there anything that says his sword cant block it? Forget repel for a second, just block.[/B]
She didn't direct the movies so the movies don't cover his sexuality. You are acting like the movies synced up completely with the movies. That is hardly if ever the case. Movies are different than the books trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.
Because the books lore in what fuels the movie and her words about the spells > all. Thats like saying Dumbledore isn't gay because it was never said in the books. She said it, so its true.[/B]
My point was that his experience is what I call into question since he was beaten by someone with very little training and time. Voldemort is also the greatest dark wizard out of a world with a shit ton of wizards. That's impressive me thinks.....Thats your point? That he lost a sword fight? 😐 Swordsmanship has nothing to do in a situation where his opponent has no sword. His sword skills mean little here.[/B]
Tom lost due to context. At no point is Harry a better wizard nor would anyone back him against Tom. Link is Dorf's superior straight up by the end of the game. Apples to oranges.
May as well say the same point youre making here with Tom losing to Harry. Or Tom getting his ass splattered by his own spell.
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No, it isn't. This is Tp Dorf. We see him banished from Hyrule after the triforce favors him and then only return after many years. It's a different Dorf and against the rules of the thread. Quit trying to circumvent the rules.
He put a death curse on the Great Deku Tree.. it died.And yes, it was done by the 'exact' same version as the one in TP. On that note what has Tom got against anyth[/B]
That's just a gameplay mechanic that forces you to out duel him. It's like saying Gorons can't be hurt by other means without the boots since the game simply won't allow it.
The dodging has nothing to do with skill. Dorf can not be hit by arrows no matter what, he will always dodge an arrow mid-flight before it hits him.Okay? [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf should have pressed the attack since all but one still directly opposed him. He sat back and let them cast their magic to defeat him.So you agree the sword from hyrule is made to smite Dorf. It's a checks and balances when someone starts getting creepy with the triforce of power.
The Sword was made to smite any evil, not Dorf specifically, evil in general, not just those that touch the Triforce.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf and his thieves were a threat not just himself. Dorf became a threat once the triforce of power favored him.I agree that Dorf does need the amp to compete here.
I was just making a few points but please don't be so sensitive about it from now on.
Don't call 'concession' if you don't want a response :T
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just hyperbole.The sages magic sure worked fine against him. It's the only instance when someone used their own magic against him. They bound and defeated him just fine. So it seems the evidence supports myself and not you.
"Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one?"
Its like I predicted your response. Summoning a portal =/= magic attack that can be interacted with. Summoning portal =/= anything to do with Tom's attacks here.
Unless you mean before they chained him up. The unseen instance with unknown assistance under unknown circumstances and without his Triforce piece which we both agree makes him vastly more powerful..
Originally posted by quanchi112
We are only arguing about this Dorf. You Zelda fans always want to argue based off of every Dorf and break the rules of the thread. This isn't allowed nor will it be tolerated any further. Drop it.I think Dorf in Zelda's body can block his own attack which Link can also repel. That's pretty much it unless you can prove otherwise. I think it is just this specific attack.
I don't have to since Link can repel just this attack with his sword. Do you have any instances of Link repelling any other magical attacks wit his sword in this game ?
Alrighty, and what's your solid reasoning behind Zelda, who is magically and physically inferior to Dorf, being able to do so when he can't? Dangerous territory son, seeing as its not Link thats able to do this but the Master Sword itself. The sword which is the very same blade in other games.
And no, the proofs all there for both of them.. if you want to say 'it only happened with that attack, so it wont happen with others' or something like that then whats stopping me from applying the same logic to the HP verse? HP spells have never hit the Triforce before, right? A magic attacks shoots towards him, he knocks it back.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Beams can be met with other beams of energy. That's true.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That wasn't an Avada kedavra. That was just a blast. Why do you assume it was an avada kedavra since he didn't say the words ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf repelled his own magic which can be reflected by Link's sword or that specific attack. I don't think the sword will survive an avada kedavra personally. If he uses it to block once he doesn't have the option again.
Why? Why reason is there that AK will destroy his sword.. how do you kill an inanimate object? The main instance where Tom uses it to hit a non-living thing is that statue in the books, and it harmlessly bounces off like it was nothing. Proof his sword will 'die'?
Originally posted by quanchi112
She didn't direct the movies so the movies don't cover his sexuality. You are acting like the movies synced up completely with the movies. That is hardly if ever the case. Movies are different than the books trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point was that his experience is what I call into question since he was beaten by someone with very little training and time. Voldemort is also the greatest dark wizard out of a world with a shit ton of wizards. That's impressive me thinks.Tom lost due to context. At no point is Harry a better wizard nor would anyone back him against Tom. Link is Dorf's superior straight up by the end of the game. Apples to oranges.
It is impressive by HP standards.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. This is Tp Dorf. We see him banished from Hyrule after the triforce favors him and then only return after many years. It's a different Dorf and against the rules of the thread. Quit trying to circumvent the rules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just a gameplay mechanic that forces you to out duel him. It's like saying Gorons can't be hurt by other means without the boots since the game simply won't allow it.
And the arrow thing is more canon than Link taking damage from enemies as its a set animation that will always happen if you fire an arrow, taking damage isnt something that will always happen.
Originally posted by BloodRainThey had already tied him up and tried to kill him. His inability to do anything past his first attack is the reason they banished him. Dorf was one of the shittiest end guys since he got beat three times in one game. Tom gets the victory due to his quicker reflexes, magical power, and killing curse.
So because of a decisional choice not to engage defenceless, passive acting beings.. for that reason it somehow means his skill/magical powers were bested and is something that gives Tom a victory?The Sword was made to smite [b]any
evil, not Dorf specifically, evil in general, not just those that touch the Triforce.Must be a big deal to be called the demon king (or something like that) and receive an execution from the sacred sages themselves. Though at this level he'd only be around mid-game boss level.
Don't call 'concession' if you don't want a response :T[/B]
You can't attach a no limits fallacy to this sword. Only a zelda fan would say something so blatantly fanboyish like this. This is what makes me pity the entire Zelda brigade. It is statements like these which make me feel sorry for you.
Dorf was humiliated by being their prisoner. Even more so after the triforce of power favored him and he was still beaten despite the mega amp.
Then please quit conceding to me.
Dorf was already beaten without the sword. The sword just resisted the triforce's attempts to bring him back or resist death which only worked once anyway. Just anti magic to evil and power. No big deal and this type of thing occurs in fiction all the time.
It isnt when the title can prove its worth. And the Sword does so with Dorf, with the fact that its more powerful against enemies, that evil beings can't even touch the blade and that whole business in the Twilight realm. Add evil smite +1."Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one?"
Its like I predicted your response. Summoning a portal =/= magic attack that can be interacted with. Summoning portal =/= anything to do with Tom's attacks here.[/B]
I never said it did. Summoning the portal shows Dorf's slow reaction time during a conflict. Voldemort would have ample time to send a lot of powerful attacks his way or the killing curse which would end him in a blast.
I think we can leave this be since you agree he's far weaker without the mega amp the triforce gives him.
Unless you mean before they chained him up. The unseen instance with unknown assistance under unknown circumstances and without his Triforce piece which we both agree makes him vastly more powerful..[/B]
Different versions of Dorf with different histories so no it's not in character for this Dorf making your comments irrelevant.
Hey you asked about his character and I told you about what's 'in character' for Ganondof. If you cant except a simple thing like that that aint my problem that we clearly see a /weaker/ version of TP Dorf do the /exact/ same thing he did in TP that kicks your character issue to they curb.Alrighty, and what's your solid reasoning behind Zelda, who is magically and physically inferior to Dorf, being able to do so when he can't? Dangerous territory son, seeing as its not Link thats able to do this but the Master Sword itself. The sword which is the very same blade in other games.[/B]
I said he can with his own easily reflectable magic but not all magic. It's on you to prove it but like I said it isn't in character anyway while he is in his own body. He only does so while possessing Zelda.
If a solid beam hits the other solid beam of energy then yes. This isn't an example of avada kedavra save the special circumstances in GOF which are irrelevant to Dorf. You need proof of it or him doing so in his own body. You don't have any proof thus you have no choice but to concede.
And no, the proofs all there for both of them.. if you want to say 'it only happened with that attack, so it wont happen with others' or something like that then whats stopping me from applying the same logic to the HP verse? HP spells have never hit the Triforce before, right? A magic attacks shoots towards him, he knocks it back.So its a fact that their attacks can be deflected in some manner
In the books theres a scene where.. batshitchrazy woman does it without calling its name.[/B]
So you don't have any proof Link's sword is special and can block magic but you just say so because well you are a fanboy. It's the master sword(planetary magic, insert other ridiculous hyperbole).
Already covered this above, he's able to, Link and the Master Sword are able to, oh and the attack explodes if it makes contact with the ground or Link.. so its not some easy-to-bounce move.Why? Why reason is there that AK will destroy his sword.. how do you kill an inanimate object? The main instance where Tom uses it to hit a non-living thing is that statue in the books, and it harmlessly bounces off like it was nothing. Proof his sword will 'die'?[/B]
We aren't arguing the books here so again quit bringing up this sort of material because it is irrelevant. It won't kill the sword but it will damage it even by your own logic you agree.
In the books he is gay but you have no proof the directors even covered this or gave it serious thought. The movies and books aren't all the same. So you'd need to prove it. It is something the movies didn't address but the books did. That's all.
So in the movie he's straight because no scene said otherwise, even if she states he's gay? They don't sync up, but book lore oversees movie lore. If there's some small detail about something that didn't make it to the movie it doesn't mean that point is doesn't exist.Link, a guy that picks up swords, shields and a bow&arrows and instantly knows how to properly wield them to expert-like precision? He picks up skills unnaturally quick and was taught by that Spirit Knight. And thats still his sword skill, not magical potency.[/B]
No, his lack of experience and his lack of power also make this embarrassing for Dorf. Dorf has the most powerful plot device backing him in this game yet Link beats him with a weapon which can kill him. The weapon doesn't make Link able to that's his skill and what not. Link just beats him and Dorf can't resist death like he normally does. It shows how weak Dorf is despite all the triforce of power does for him.
No, in Hp the characters are far greater than the characters in Zelda. The wizards and the various creatures are far more impressive and intelligent than the characters from Zelda.
It is impressive by HP standards.Yeah, no, it actually is. Link went back in time to his childhood to warn the kingdom about Dorf and that was the thing that set in motion the events that led up to the sages execution in TP. OoT Adult timeline Dorf was killed at the end of the game. OoT Child timeline Dorf was the got captured and banished to the Twilight realm.[/B]
I won't read the OOT Link due to not beating it despite being at the end. Don't ruin this for me and drop all references to OOT. Link can't overpower them without having them on.
Child Era: The Prince of Thieves Ganondorf is executed (TP scene) -> the events of Twilight Princess.Bad example as Link can easily fight Gorons without the boots on, you have to fight them (actual combat, not stopping them roll or wrestling) to get up Death Mountain.
And the arrow thing is more canon than Link taking damage from enemies as its a set animation that will always happen if you fire an arrow, taking damage isnt something that will always happen. [/B]
It just shows you can't hit him with an arrow and have to fight him with your sword. That's it. Only a fanboy would try to make something out of this.
