Originally posted by BloodRain
"Voldemort didn't lose in a contest of skill to Potter" Exactly my point. Just like this Dorf did not lose to the sages in a contest of skill or power. The sages 'win' was due do to being terrified, defenceless beings that Dorf can one-shot.. how this compares to this thread? If Tom had no combat ability (like the sages), if he begged to be spared (like how the sages were shaking), if Dorf turned his back on him (the portal came from behind), and if Tom shot a silent attack (was unannounced). Doing all that maybe this portal 'loss' would be relevant.What overwhelming experience edge in Dorf's favour? Again nothing to do with a mage battle.
Yes, at his mercy. She showed no sign that she could do anything to stop him. And to Dorf, the sages were the same. At his mercy and could be crushed with a gesture. Tom was rezzed? Dorf just came back from being 'executed'.
Point of that was that both Dorf and Tom are not on the permanent guard, at times they're not focused on the full-out kill. Theres an equal chance that Tom would have been pulled into that portal too.
I assume because theres no reason to think otherwise. Dorf has been able to reflect magic attacks, the AK curse has in some manner been reflected, Dorf's sword can take it. The only way I could get more proof would be to see Dorf actually reflect the AK.
The sword can do so due to the venom, which destroys things. The sword does not have any ability that allows it to reflect magic nor have we see it attempted to do so.
Not the point, point was the blade can be charged. Main point is that even without that the blade is far superior to a normal blade in damage.
Hyperbole is when a statement can not be proven. The Blades statements can be and have been proven.
Canon lore, even if its the movie. Sword skill.
I know. And so am I seeing as this Dorf is the same character, person, entity, mind as the child timeline Dorf.
Besides Link having a bundle of higher feats done without the Boots, with that and the fact that Bo has no other feats showing that Link is far above him?
How is it an advantage if instead of seeing the arrow coming and dodging, like on foot, he has to somehow notice the arrow behind him and make his horse move equally as fast in both reaction and sudden sidewards movement? How are arrows not allowed if you're free to use them? How is it hitting him if Ganon dodges them too?
Youre comparing behind shot from behind and making his horse react too, to him flat out dodging. And more so that him dodging arrows is not canon but Link taking damage in gameplay is? Choosing one over the other.
A four legged beast that moves at speeds Dorf can replicate, yes, the reactions will be the same.. simple species facts that speed relates to reactions. Bonus is instant acceleration is faster with smaller bodies that large ones, a second fact.
Yet never shattered the stone blocks to pieces. Youre mixing a friendly wrestling match to outright killing which Bo did not face, Link. And Giants couldnt dent metal when Link can slice through metal.
Really? Because the fastest things in the HP verse brooms, and they're not faster than arrows. As seen in a war they don't evade or protect that much.
The Golum used blunt force, single hit. So I ask again, why does this make Gorons weak but not make Bo strong when Gorons have evidence to being strong and theres no evidence to Bo being weaker?
I said glass cannons, as in weak durability. Centaurs and Trolls have human+ durability given what they've taken. Even Giants are being toppled by things that are equal to or weaker than them, and all the did was topple stone. On the other hand we have Gorons and Shadow Beasts who can tank bombs, bombs which can blow up room size hunks of rocks. Glass canons because they don't have high durability.
Stats:
Hungarian Horntail- Biggest animal it hunts is cattle. Can breath fire hot enough to heat up rock.
Lava dragon Volvalga: Hunts and eats Gorons. Can breath fire as hot as lava. Can make a volcano erupt.Its prey, its attacks and what it is capable of is greater than the Horntail. Oh, and it was controlled by Dorf.
Speaking of AK, whats the best thing its killed just so we can get a comparison and leave the no-limits area?
SO HEY GUYS, HOW ABOUT THAT VOLDEMORT VERSUS GANONDORF DEBATE?
You know, the one that was supposed to be going on since ten pages ago? Seriously, let's get back on topic.
Yeah we tried that. I gave all the facts of how Ganondorf wouldnt be affected by HP magic since he can only be hurt/defeated by Holy weaponry or his own magic. But Quanchi just throws that out the window or says thats not allowed in this specific thread, thereby gimping Ganondorf.
ScreamPaste and myself gave facts about how Ganondorf wins. OTHERS agreed with us. But Quan just kept throwing spiddle to contradict our truth and so the Pony spam began.
Originally posted by Scarlet FoxSee this is exactly the problem. You falsely without any proof assumed HP magic can't hurt him based on what hurts/kills him in his own game. What kills/hurts him in his own game is only relevant to his own universe not another one. To sit there and say he can't be hurt without any proof is trolling of the highest order.
Yeah we tried that. I gave all the facts of how Ganondorf wouldnt be affected by HP magic since he can only be hurt/defeated by Holy weaponry or his own magic. But Quanchi just throws that out the window or says thats not allowed in this specific thread, thereby gimping Ganondorf.ScreamPaste and myself gave facts about how Ganondorf wins. OTHERS agreed with us. But Quan just kept throwing spiddle to contradict our truth and so the Pony spam began.
Originally posted by quanchi112
See this is exactly the problem. You falsely without any proof assumed HP magic can't hurt him based on what hurts/kills him in his own game. What kills/hurts him in his own game is only relevant to his own universe not another one. To sit there and say he can't be hurt without any proof is trolling of the highest order.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The tanning bed has to do with being in a confined area. The sword will have to hit Russell to hurt him. Iirc the magic was specific in it's weakness exploitation of twili.
Range of light is all that matters. Anything within 30ft of Link will be shone on, and I assume Russell will need to get within that area to attack Link.
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You're right Xan noneyes
-Sages pulling him into a portal behind him means nothing.
Means less for a thread like this, especially as Voldemort has an equal character in how swift he kills things.
-AK curse can be reflected and blocked, Ganondorf can reflect magic attacks.
Ganondorf can reflect spells shot at him.
-This Ganondorf has the same killing curse from the child timeling of OoT, being the exact same person.
A killing curse would destroy Voldemort.
-Ganondorf can dodge arrows in a melee range in human form, and in beast form when focused.
Getting hit by arrows shot at his back while on horseback, which can't dodge, is not the same thing as his own self.
-Greatest thing the AK curse has killed is defenceless Wizards.
Assuming it kills everything, even opponents with magical resistance/deftnesses is a no-limits.
^ Basically all the VvG points in my last post summed up.
And to sum up the rest:
-Faster.
G- Blitzing human speed Sages, aka arrow level movement speed.
V- Has only shown human speed.
-Stronger.
G- Rivals Link's strength who throws a 50 ton Dangoro, pushes 100 ton blocks and knocks around 600 ton Ice masses with the Ball&Chain.
V- Has only shown human strength.
-More physically durable.
G- Takes hits from Link and Midna's City-block sized explosion.
V- Has only shown human durability.
-Greater reactions.
G- Easily dodges arrows in a melee range.
V- Peak+ human reactions for fighting tons of Wizards.
-Higher magical potency.
G- Large AoE Twilight and City-block level ToP magic attacks. Like with OoT and WW Ganondorf not long after getting the piece = same level as TP = same ToP.
V- Wall level magic attacks, at the very best approaching Small-Building level attacks with his strongest spells.
-Higher magical resistance.
G- Surviving attacks from the light arrows that pierce evil beings and can disintegrate non-bosses, and from Midna's Fused Shadow attack.
V- Via assumptions and powerscaling he can probably survive Wall level magic attacks, a small possibility that he could survive an attack approaching Small-building level.
-Better tricks.
G- Killing curse on sacred beings, teleporting via portals, telekinesis, electric orb attacks, other City-Block level spells <- Ones that Voldemort has.
Intangible twilight particles for defence, low level possession, soul attacks.. being an intimidatingly 7'6" tall, canon from the Hyrule Historia.
V- Killing curse on only human-level characters, teleporting, telekinesis, fire attacks, other Wall+ spells <- Ones that Ganondorf has.
Can make human-level characters feel pain or control them(these two can be resisted via willpower).
A faster death by killing curse (though its blockable/avoidable beam) and a better teleportation is all he has.
From the above Voldemort has 1.5 things above Ganondorf, who has 10.5 things above Tom.
In each area Ganondorf is in the superior light. And that's why he wins.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilIt's an unknown either way since neither exist in the other world. Divinity is also just a title. It's like saying Ganondorf is 1/3 divine Hulk from marvel comics can't beat him. Hulk's not even a god but that sure doesn't stop him from steamrolling gods.
Counter point. You can't say HP magic effects someone with 1/3 divinity, and immunity to zelda weaponry, as none of those appear in harry potter.
Originally posted by BloodRainYou don't know if that degree of sunlight can really cover that much area nor do you know if it'll easily kill Russell. One thing Link fans keep forgetting is russell's speed.
Not a specific weakness. Its just something they're weak to in the same way they're weak to our sunlight, like vampires.Range of light is all that matters. Anything within 30ft of Link will be shone on, and I assume Russell will need to get within that area to attack Link.
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You're right Xan noneyes
-Sages pulling him into a portal behind him means nothing.
Means less for a thread like this, especially as Voldemort has an equal character in how swift he kills things.
-AK curse can be reflected and blocked, Ganondorf can reflect magic attacks.
Ganondorf can reflect spells shot at him.
-This Ganondorf has the same killing curse from the child timeling of OoT, being the exact same person.
A killing curse would destroy Voldemort.
-Ganondorf can dodge arrows in a melee range in human form, and in beast form when focused.
Getting hit by arrows shot at his back while on horseback, which can't dodge, is not the same thing as his own self.
-Greatest thing the AK curse has killed is defenceless Wizards.
Assuming it kills everything, even opponents with magical resistance/deftnesses is a no-limits.^ Basically all the VvG points in my last post summed up.
And to sum up the rest:
-Faster.
G- Blitzing human speed Sages, aka arrow level movement speed.
V- Has only shown human speed.
-Stronger.
G- Rivals Link's strength who throws a 50 ton Dangoro, pushes 100 ton blocks and knocks around 600 ton Ice masses with the Ball&Chain.
V- Has only shown human strength.
-More physically durable.
G- Takes hits from Link and Midna's City-block sized explosion.
V- Has only shown human durability.
-Greater reactions.
G- Easily dodges arrows in a melee range.
V- Peak+ human reactions for fighting tons of Wizards.
-Higher magical potency.
G- Large AoE Twilight and City-block level ToP magic attacks. Like with OoT and WW Ganondorf not long after getting the piece = same level as TP = same ToP.
V- Wall level magic attacks, at the very best approaching Small-Building level attacks with his strongest spells.
-Higher magical resistance.
G- Surviving attacks from the light arrows that pierce evil beings and can disintegrate non-bosses, and from Midna's Fused Shadow attack.
V- Via assumptions and powerscaling he can probably survive Wall level magic attacks, a small possibility that he could survive an attack approaching Small-building level.
-Better tricks.
G- Killing curse on sacred beings, teleporting via portals, telekinesis, electric orb attacks, other City-Block level spells <- Ones that Voldemort has.
Intangible twilight particles for defence, low level possession, soul attacks.. being an intimidatingly 7'6" tall, canon from the Hyrule Historia.
V- Killing curse on only human-level characters, teleporting, telekinesis, fire attacks, other Wall+ spells <- Ones that Ganondorf has.
Can make human-level characters feel pain or control them(these two can be resisted via willpower).A faster death by killing curse (though its blockable/avoidable beam) and a better teleportation is all he has.
From the above Voldemort has 1.5 things above Ganondorf, who has 10.5 things above Tom.
In each area Ganondorf is in the superior light. And that's why he wins.
The rest you know I won't comment on since I have a battlezone in the air.