Originally posted by ScreamPasteThe truth sometimes doesn't always come in the form of a witty retort.
Worst come back in history. Edgington can't disarm Link, lol. And if he can't even enter that range, he'll probably burn from even farther away than that.
Russell slaps his head off. He wouldn't need to disarm Linkey pooh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you are unsure about the distance. That's just as I thought. The scene I posted a while back shows Russell disarm Stackhouse's shotgun before he can even tell he's there from well over thirty feet away.
Never saw the scene you posted.. until now:
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The distance is kinda null as Jason wasn't even looking at him covering it.
Originally posted by BloodRainWe can see from this video when he moves the Faerie is far too slow to have a bead on him. Both reactions are too quick for her to compensate for.
How is saying 'about' make me unsure? Its 'about' because I didn't search through several vids and wait until the absolute perfect camera angle to whip a ruler out and measure it. It could be slightly above 30 or slightly below.. either way it will be about 30.Never saw the scene you posted.. until now:
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The distance is kinda null as Jason wasn't even looking at him covering it.
You mean the scene when Russell disarms Stackhouse as opposed to this one ?
When they could see them running about only to be surprised when he stopped right by them? Again no direct linear distance covered.
Yeah, Jason wasn't looking.
Russ would need to cover the distance without being noticed (possible given his speed), would have to do so before Link draws (less likely as Link's faster than a human, reacting and fighting arrow timers), and he would need to do it the instant the match begun (not in his character, unsheathing is in Link's).
Originally posted by BloodRainJason was on his porch and Russell's movements are clearly too quick for human reaction along with the incredible distance he covered in disarming Jason.
When they could see them running about only to be surprised when he stopped right by them? Again no direct linear distance covered.
Yeah, Jason wasn't looking.Russ would need to cover the distance without being noticed (possible given his speed), would have to do so before Link draws (less likely as Link's faster than a human, reacting and fighting arrow timers), and he would need to do it the instant the match begun (not in his character, unsheathing is in Link's).
I also don't see Link's sword exploding Russell either even if he did unsheathe his sword. Link's been hit by a lot slower things than arrows as well.
That would be true had he been looking in Russ' direction. Blindsiding someone has nothing to do with their visual reactions.
Why not? Before you said "You never proved his sword would kill Russell. It's like saying a tanning bed kills him." but I showed that a tanning bed could do just that. If sunlight kills him, and a tanning bed would kill him.. the Sol light which effects things the same way natural light does would do the same thing. So why wont it?
True, he has both arrow-timing feats and some below. The same as any TB vamp having super-speed and some human speed feats. Wouldn't call him slow though.
Originally posted by BloodRainSo now you want to ignore the portrayals since day one that humans can't follow vampire speed. We can't see it or keep up with it at all. The fact he travels over thirty feet against an armed p. o. and he can't even see him shows how incredibly fast he is.
That would be true had he been looking in Russ' direction. Blindsiding someone has nothing to do with their visual reactions.Why not? Before you said "You never proved his sword would kill Russell. It's like saying a tanning bed kills him." but I showed that a tanning bed could do just that. If sunlight kills him, and a tanning bed would kill him.. the Sol light which effects things the same way natural light does would do the same thing. So why wont it?
True, he has both arrow-timing feats and some below. The same as any TB vamp having super-speed and some human speed feats. Wouldn't call him slow though.
A tanning bed can hurt one if you are confined in it. Not like opening a tanning bed thirty feet away will do anything to a vampire.
Bullet timing is vastly faster than arrow timing. Link's actions are never beyond human perception as vampires have been consistently portrayed since day 1.
Tanning beds arent designed to reach that far. Though we know UV light in general does the job:
If the light touches them, they're fried. The MS just so happens to have a longer reach than these two examples.
I was talking about that specific scene where Jason isn't looking at him.
I'm talking about Link's stand-alone speed. Slashing arrows, fighting Ganon (the beast you said was arrow-timing) and Dorf (arrows and blitzing sages before they react). A peak human could probably draw the blade in a tenth of a second, to speak nothing of Link who can move several times faster than peak with his Spin attack IIRC.
But lets get back to character shall we? There's Bill getting within staking range of Russell 'cause he wasn't worried, and waiting until after the Elder Faerie attacked him twice to go for the kill. Its not in his character to insta-kill everyone. Though Link does draw when he's in combat.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe uv light is all around them. Think of it like a giant tanning bed. They aren't out in the open but are in a confined area.
Tanning beds arent designed to reach that far. Though we know UV light in general does the job:If the light touches them, they're fried. The MS just so happens to have a longer reach than these two examples.
I was talking about that specific scene where Jason isn't looking at him.
I'm talking about Link's stand-alone speed. Slashing arrows, fighting Ganon (the beast you said was arrow-timing) and Dorf (arrows and blitzing sages before they react). A peak human could probably draw the blade in a tenth of a second, to speak nothing of Link who can move several times faster than peak with his Spin attack IIRC.But lets get back to character shall we? There's Bill getting within staking range of Russell 'cause he wasn't worried, and waiting until after the Elder Faerie attacked him twice to go for the kill. Its not in his character to insta-kill everyone. Though Link does draw when he's in combat.
If it touches them in a confined area they burn but it takes a lot to kill them. Obviously.
It doesn't matter. Jason was armed and ready. That's how quick Russell is. The distance he traveled was 30+ feet and he disarmed him casually. Still not fast enough.
He didn't insta kill the faerie because he wanted to drink her blood. He did show in combat how quick and resourceful he can be. You still haven't proven Link's sword can kill him. You used two examples of being in a confined area. These guys aren't fighting in a tanning bed.
Just like the light coming out of the blade, that surrounds Link? It'd be the same as sunlight but from a different source. And to answer you below point, if there was any reason that a confined space meant anything with the light touching them, do tell. Sunlight is weaker than those UV
lights and kills 'em in a wide open space. Space means nothing, touching the light is touching the light. And in that pic that specific light is covering 10ft easily and effecting everything in its reach.
I can disarm someone that isn't looking at me, doesn't mean anything about my speed. Anyone can run up to a person unnoticed if they don't look. Being on guard and being in combat are two different alertness/reactions, Jason's the former Link's the latter.
Thats what I meant, he didn't go right for the throat. He stood there, got fired at, stood there, got fired at again to which he ran in.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe sunlight covers all the distance over the terrain at one time. Link's sword doesn't cover that much area. The reason the sunlight gets em is due to them not being able to get out of it since it's all encompassing. Not the same with regards to Link's sword.
Just like the light coming out of the blade, that surrounds Link? It'd be the same as sunlight but from a different source. And to answer you below point, if there was any reason that a confined space meant anything with the light touching them, do tell. Sunlight is weaker than those UV
lights and kills 'em in a wide open space. Space means nothing, touching the light is touching the light. And in that pic that specific light is covering 10ft easily and effecting everything in its reach.I can disarm someone that isn't looking at me, doesn't mean anything about my speed. Anyone can run up to a person unnoticed if they don't look. Being on guard and being in combat are two different alertness/reactions, Jason's the former Link's the latter.
Thats what I meant, he didn't go right for the throat. He stood there, got fired at, stood there, got fired at again to which he ran in.
We can see his speed given the distance he covered is beyond human reaction time. The fact he wasn't looking is immaterial since his eyes can't keep up with Russell's movements at this rate of speed.
Due to him being smart and waiting to strike. He was there to drink her blood. He was effective in doing so. All you have done is shown that even if Link draws his sword he will strike when Link is vulnerable.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHe could go around him. I still maintain he kills him before he even draws his sword but for the sake of argument I will entertain this a little further.
How is he suppose to get close to link though? If getting close to a light source like that weakens him, wouldn't charging straight at it be harmful to the vamp?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The sunlight covers all the distance over the terrain at one time. Link's sword doesn't cover that much area. The reason the sunlight gets em is due to them not being able to get out of it since it's all encompassing. Not the same with regards to Link's sword.We can see his speed given the distance he covered is beyond human reaction time. The fact he wasn't looking is immaterial since his eyes can't keep up with Russell's movements at this rate of speed.
Due to him being smart and waiting to strike. He was there to drink her blood. He was effective in doing so. All you have done is shown that even if Link draws his sword he will strike when Link is vulnerable.
Visual reaction time comes from.. well yeah. Without looking at him his reactions for that distance means nothing.
Smart? Waiting? He could have instantly done so, not problem as he's stronger and faster than her, without running the risk of being fired at twice. But he waited as is his character. Just as Link's character is to draw his blade when in combat, which creates that 30ft radius around him.
Originally posted by BloodRainNo, I don't think so. There's no proof it would just kill him nor is there definitive proof it covers 30 feet of distance all around.
No, it doesn't cover that much area, it only covers 30ft around him. Being within that area will kill him.Visual reaction time comes from.. well yeah. Without looking at him his reactions for that distance means nothing.
Smart? Waiting? He could have instantly done so, not problem as he's stronger and faster than her, without running the risk of being fired at twice. But he waited as is his character. Just as Link's character is to draw his blade when in combat, which creates that 30ft radius around him.
We can't even see Russell's movements so Jason can't react due to him being that fast. That's the point.
No, that was only due to him taking on a fairy. He has killed far faster in other situations but in this endeavor he wanted to be sure. Russell slaps his head off.
Well its light touches things 30ft around him so.. there's that.
Urm, yeah we can? I could even frame-by-frame and time the movements. No the pint is that his speed can blitz humans, but that scene with Jason not looking means nothing.
And they have superspeed too? Or are you saying its because he didn't know what to expect from her? So with people he finds a threat he's cautious about and doesn't insta-kill, and with people he finds threatless (Bill) he doesn't insta-kill... Again, unless you want to show me something to say otherwise its not in his character to go for the full speed kill.