Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can beat him in a variety of ways.
1. Avada Kedavra
2. Crucio
3. Fiendfyre
4. Blast ko
5. Body destruction

2, 4 and 5 have only damaged humans. You can debate this if you believe Ganondorf is as tough as a normal human.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Lol? Provide two separate examples.
2. By the Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, millions of times more powerful than Voldemort.
3. Physical harm does nothing to Ganondorf, and he tanks castle busters anyway.

None are powerful enough to overcome the Triforce of Power or hurt Ganondorf at all.

Body destruction wins as the top can't overcome that. You have yet to prove it and even swords can harm Ganondorf which cannot be healed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. One example is all that it is necessary. He was beaten twice in the game.
2. No, it isn't. Voldemort's power is far more impressive than the master sword by screen feats.
3. Off screen. No proof. He never healed from the sage sword which proves he can't heal from damage.

Body destruction wins as the top can't overcome that. You have yet to prove it and even swords can harm Ganondorf which cannot be healed.

Voldemort can't destroy Ganon's body, or overcome the ToP, The Master Sword can, nothing less has been shown to, and you're speculating. Herp derp.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Open for discussion.
2. Human level pain on sword through my chest castle blew up Ganondorf? Apparently a strong willed person can resit it.. no threat.
3. Throwing fire at Dorf? Really?
4. The blasts that sometimes knock out human wizards is going to knock out Dorf?
5. A spell which has the best feat of two-shotting a human body.

2, 4 and 5 have only damaged humans. You can debate this if you believe Ganondorf is as tough as a normal human.

Wrong to all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. One example is not enough, because that one time was by a planetary artifact, Voldemort can barely kill people. His most powerful spell can be countered in universe by a simple charm. He was not 'beaten' twice, and the sages scene never had the ToP overcome, try harder.
2. I lol'd. Voldemort doesn't hold a candle to the Master Sword.
3. Tanked castle buster with no damage, Voldemort cannot damage his body, and him not closing a wound that doesn't affect him proves literally nothing. Speculate moar. If that were the case why wouldn't he still have a gaping hole in his face in The Wind Waker?

Voldemort can't destroy Ganon's body, or overcome the ToP, The Master Sword can, nothing less has been shown to, and you're speculating. Herp derp.

Different Dorfs. Only TP applies here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Not really since you can't dispute my logic.
2. A sword can cut through his flesh which is far less powerful than Potter magic. Speculation since we didn't see where he was at the time.
3. If a sword can harm him why can't fire ?
4. Took down a reinforced magical shield which disintegrated those it touched.
5. Again reinforced disintegration shield.

Wrong to all.

1. What logic have you given on the matter?
2. Which time? The time where a sword stabs Dorf before he gains the ToP, or the time where he's stabbed but a superhuman carrying a goddess bless+light infuse+ant-evil sword? Btw you know very well that saying 'this is better than than' is a baseless claim without proof. Go get some. And while youre at it give me something that says the spell can inflict pain on someone above a human.
3. Because normal fire < bomb explosions. Normal fire < castle explosions. Normal fire < goddess powered Sword.
4. Durability feats of the magical shield? 'Disintegration' is not a durability, meaning less when a magic spell is thrown at it. So show me how durable it is so we can compare.
5. The disintegration spell has something to do with this? Is so, proof of its potency.

So you can show me spell 1, 2, 4 and 5 damaging enemies with higher resistance than a humans body? Excellent, show me.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. What logic have you given on the matter?
2. Which time? The time where a sword stabs Dorf before he gains the ToP, or the time where he's stabbed but a superhuman carrying a goddess bless+light infuse+ant-evil sword? Btw you know very well that saying 'this is better than than' is a baseless claim without proof. Go get some. And while youre at it give me something that says the spell can inflict pain on someone above a human.
3. Because normal fire < bomb explosions. Normal fire < castle explosions. Normal fire < goddess powered Sword.
4. Durability feats of the magical shield? 'Disintegration' is not a durability, meaning less when a magic spell is thrown at it. So show me how durable it is so we can compare.
5. The disintegration spell has something to do with this? Is so, proof of its potency.

So you can show me spell 1, 2, 4 and 5 damaging enemies with higher resistance than a humans body? Excellent, show me.

3. Fiendfyre isn't normal fire. We don't see Dorf tank the castle destruction. We also see he has teleportational abilities through portals so he can escape the impact. Both swords cut into his skin. Fire burns him. Logical.

4. Survived hundreds if not thousands of bolt force attacks from hundreds of wizards. Watch the movie for crying out loud.

5. That's how powerful the shield was when touched. Pottermagic>>>>Zelda magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Less powerful objects have cut into his skin. The top cannot heal his flesh or wounds just resist them.
2. Hyperbole. His skin doesn't become more durable he just resists the effects until Link stabs him. The spells don't have a thing to do with durability that's why I've always laughed at Zelda posturing. The force blast took out a disintegration force field.

3. Fiendfyre isn't normal fire. We don't see Dorf tank the castle destruction. We also see he has teleportational abilities through portals so he can escape the impact. Both swords cut into his skin. Fire burns him. Logical.

4. Survived hundreds if not thousands of bolt force attacks from hundreds of wizards. Watch the movie for crying out loud.

5. That's how powerful the shield was when touched. Pottermagic>>>>Zelda magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Less powerful objects have cut into his skin. The top cannot heal his flesh or wounds just resist them.
2. Hyperbole. His skin doesn't become more durable he just resists the effects until Link stabs him. The spells don't have a thing to do with durability that's why I've always laughed at Zelda posturing. The force blast took out a disintegration force field.
3. Fiendfyre isn't normal fire. We don't see Dorf tank the castle destruction. We also see he has teleportational abilities through portals so he can escape the impact. Both swords cut into his skin. Fire burns him. Logical.
4. Survived hundreds if not thousands of bolt force attacks from hundreds of wizards. Watch the movie for crying out loud.
5. That's how powerful the shield was when touched. Pottermagic>>>>Zelda magic.

2. Don't even think I'll need to address how tough Dorf's skin is when you basically said that he can resist the effects of being impaled :T
The spell inflicts pain on humans and small animals and can be resisted with strong will; Dorf is tougher than any human and the ToP chose for his strong character.
I've asked you for proof of the crucio curse bringing pain to a being above that of a human, so show me. And tell me exactly what breaking a shield means in the long run.

3. Prove that its more powerful than fire besides its movements.
The impact was his face so.. good dodge? If youre going to debate I'd ask you to address the points I make and not ignore them; The first stab was before he had the ToP. He has the ToP here, so thats a null point. Disagree? The second was with a goddess blessed magical sword, do you disagree with this too? That and bombs > fire.

4. You just went round a short, short circle there. Force attacks are strong because it can break a shield with the only durability feat being it taking hits from Force attacks.. great, now how powerful are force attacks?

5. The shields power has what to do with Tom attacking? Regardless, its sole feat is beating a human.

Sorry, just that you seemed to have missed this: "So you can show me spell 1, 2, 4 and 5 damaging enemies with higher resistance than a humans body? Excellent, show me."

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. When he was human.
2. Prove HP spells ignore durability.
3. Reaching.
4. Small time and exaggeration.
5. Prove that potter magic is in any way superior when all feats say otherwise.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Alright we're getting somewhere, now just prove the power of the AK curse and we'll have something to work with.

2. Don't even think I'll need to address how tough Dorf's skin is when you basically said that he can resist the effects of being impaled :T
The spell inflicts pain on humans and small animals and can be resisted with strong will; Dorf is tougher than any human and the ToP chose for his strong character.
I've asked you for proof of the crucio curse bringing pain to a being above that of a human, so show me. And tell me exactly what breaking a shield means in the long run.

3. Prove that its more powerful than fire besides its movements.
The impact was his face so.. good dodge? If youre going to debate I'd ask you to address the points I make and not ignore them; The first stab was before he had the ToP. He has the ToP here, so thats a null point. Disagree? The second was with a goddess blessed magical sword, do you disagree with this too? That and bombs > fire.

4. You just went round a short, short circle there. Force attacks are strong because it can break a shield with the only durability feat being it taking hits from Force attacks.. great, now how powerful are force attacks?

5. The shields power has what to do with Tom attacking? Regardless, its sole feat is beating a human.

Sorry, just that you seemed to have missed this: "So you can show me spell 1, 2, 4 and 5 damaging enemies with higher resistance than a humans body? Excellent, show me."

2. Since when can Crucio be resisted by someone of strong will ? That's Imperio.
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It affects the mind and is a specific spell you need to prove it won't work on Ganondorf.

3. It's magical fire and we see how powerful it is. We see it destroying an entire room of magical origin in the room of requirement . We don't see his body tanking the castle going down. Speculation. 😄
The second sword stab impaled him. We don't see him resist a sword attack. You need an actual example not just wishful thinking to support this claim. When do we see a bomb being tanked by him ? Remind me again. Fire>>swords.

4. One force attack can knock someone out and propel them backwards around 20 feet.

5. Disintegrated any humans or anything it touched. Resisted hundreds if not thousands of blasts. You're so biased its kinda sickening.

1 doesn't have to do with human durability at all. A really strong in shape person fares no better than a five year old.
Fiendfyre destroyed all kinds of magical artifacts and fire hurts anything with organic being unless you can prove fire resistance.
Completely disintegrating a human is more impressive than stabbing through some ones chest. Resisted hundreds if not thousands of blasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. When who was human ?
2. Avada Kedavra and Crucio do.
3. Nope.
4. You greatly exaggerate anything and everything Link related.
5. Based on showings and abilities. No feats say otherwise. Links world cannot counter Crucio or Avada Kedavra.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Ganon.
2. a) prove it b) neither can overcome the ToP
3. Placeholder
4. Quan making an irrelevant jab rather than supporting his argument.
5. Link's world can counter the power to overlap separate realities, a little pain or a killing curse are very small time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He never became anything other than more powerful ie. resisted the effects of a sword stab.
2. You need to prove the top can resist when there's no reason to believe so.
3. What ?
4. You said I greatly exaggerate when I described everything that happened and supported it without hyperbole.
5. You have no proof he can resist this just like he can't resist an arrow to the throat. It works just like an arrow to the throat.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. He was only stabbed before he got the ToP, IE, it isn't relevant to Ganon with the ToP, that was when he was still human.
2. It makes him immortal, and can only be counteracted by a planetary level artifact.
3. Eyup.
4. You do exaggerate, it's also still small time.
5. That's interesting since he can tank castle busters and brush off the Fused Shadows without effort.

Voldemort wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He was stabbed after he got the top. You need an example of him resisting a blade.
2. Speculation. Unproven. His body cannot regenerate so body destruction logically defeats as does Crucio or Avada Kedavra.
3. ?
4. What have I exaggerated about ?
5. Never tanked it on screen. He defeated her off screen so he was more formidable than she was but less formidable than Link.

Voldemort wins.

Ganon tanks castlebusters later.

In short, you're wrong.
2. No, it factually does make him immortal, and that is proven. Him being 'unable' to regenerate is actual speculation. Prove Voldemort's spells can overcome the ToP.

3. !
4. Thousands of 'bolt force attacks' from 'hundreds of wizards'
5. Good thing we see the castle explode, gives us a good idea of Midna's destructive power, which failed to harm Ganondorf at all.

Voldemort can't touch him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_voBgF4DOU
Execution at 4:30.
Receives ToP at 4:40

Ganon tanks castlebusters later.

In short, you're wrong.
2. No, it factually does make him immortal, and that is proven. Him being 'unable' to regenerate is [b]actual speculation. Prove Voldemort's spells can overcome the ToP.

3. !
4. Thousands of 'bolt force attacks' from 'hundreds of wizards'
5. Good thing we see the castle explode, gives us a good idea of Midna's destructive power, which failed to harm Ganondorf at all.

Voldemort can't touch him. [/B]

2. He never healed from the attack so there's no proof he can. I don't need to as in debating if a spell works the burden is on you to prove he can resist.

3. ?

4. I said hundreds to thousands. Hundreds of wizards are firing for many minutes so it isn't a stretch.
5. We don't see it topple on Dorf. Portal, speculation either way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He was stabbed by Link after he got the top. There is no single resistance feat. I'm right you need evidence to claim he can laugh off a sword against his skin.

2. He never healed from the attack so there's no proof he can. I don't need to as in debating if a spell works the burden is on you to prove he can resist.

3. ?

4. I said hundreds to thousands. Hundreds of wizards are firing for many minutes so it isn't a stretch.
5. We don't see it topple on Dorf. Portal, speculation either way.

3.

4. And yet you could be lowballing and it would still be small time.
5. We don't need to because we saw Midna make the attack, we know Ganondorf was present when she did so, and he has her Fused Shadows when we see him next. There is nothing ambiguous about what occured.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. With the Master Sword, which I keep reminding you is a planetary level magic weapon. He tanked a castle busting spear to the face without harm from Midna.
2. Him not doing so does not prove he cannot, only that he didn't. Ganondorf cannot be harmed without overcoming the ToP first. Voldemort cannot overcome the ToP, ergo, cannot harm Ganondorf. Simple.

3.

4. And yet you could be lowballing and it would still be small time.
5. We don't need to because we saw Midna make the attack, we know Ganondorf was present when she did so, and he has her Fused Shadows when we see him next. There is nothing ambiguous about what occured.

2. You need to prove it since the top cannot even heal an injury so body destruction itself clearly works. The specific magic kills and you need proof why it doesn't not you just insisting.

3. You're odd.
4. I'm not.
5. We don't see it fall on him and he has abilities to teleport so you need proof not speculation.

Voldemort wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. No proof that's just hyperbole. The sword can be parried by any other sword. No, he didn't since we don't see the castle fall on him. Repeating baseless claims wont help you.

2. You need to prove it since the top cannot even heal an injury so body destruction itself clearly works. The specific magic kills and you need proof why it doesn't not you just insisting.

3. You're odd.
4. I'm not.
5. We don't see it fall on him and he has abilities to teleport so you need proof not speculation.

Voldemort wins.

2. Ganon didn't does not mean Ganon can't. The hole had no effect on him, that actually just goes to show that physical damage doesn't matter to him. Voldemort isn't powerful enough to harm his body anyway. Ganon is immortal because of the ToP, he cannot be harmed until it is overcome, Voldemort cannot overcome it, this is simple.

Prove Voldemort can overcome it, or Voldemort cannot. That's simple.

3. Yep.
4. Small time.
5. See point one.

Prove something. Go on and try.